Thread: *SPOILER* So I think the new primal in 3.5 part 2 is...

Originally Posted by Anonymoose

Something is drawn towards the faith (spiritual aether, another of the basic elements); the faith acts as a beacon.

That's exactly what I'm not so sure of... We have no proof at all that anything is drawn from the lifestream... The only thing we have is the fact that something that resembles a god revered by a people is summoned. Something that has roughly the same emotional characteristics as the character that inspired them, or what the people want their god to be. Garuda is saddistic and arrogant because that's how Garuda the general was to the Ixali. So they probably spent generations romancizing this character, slowly becoming a godess that gave birth to them all, because... that's what the allagan did.

Garuda the general has for long been in the lifestream, so I'm not so sure her soul could come back so easily from the dead... Rather, it's the high concentration of aether and the beliefs that this character is supposed to have these feelings, these desires, that give them a really simple "soul" that's barely enough for them to do what they've been summoned for. So basically... the same thing that draws "life" in the anima weapons and such, in a more "carnal" way.

I highly doubt it's Shinryu, especially since it should technically already exist (void/rift hopping wyrm God). Omega is probably not even Allagan tech. Shinryu will probably be the final boss of Stormblood's 8-man raid. Or penultimate.

Pretty sure Omega is allagan tech

Originally Posted by ADVSS

Pretty sure Omega is allagan tech

Then would that make the Omega in XIV unrelated to the other Omega's in the franchise? or would XIV be its origin?

Originally Posted by Nestama

Then would that make the Omega in XIV unrelated to the other Omega's in the franchise? or would XIV be its origin?

Unrelated. Omega was a weapon created by the Allag to counter Bahamut, the primal version.

Originally Posted by Nestama

Then would that make the Omega in XIV unrelated to the other Omega's in the franchise? or would XIV be its origin?

Possibly its called Omega Weapon right? Omega is just Omega

Originally Posted by ADVSS

Possibly its called Omega Weapon right? Omega is just Omega

FFXIV Omega is just Omega, at least it's completely based on FFV's Omega design, not FFVIII's Omega Weapon.

Originally Posted by ADVSS

Possibly its called Omega Weapon right? Omega is just Omega

Despite the links to the Ultima Weapon via Allag, FFXIV's Omega is named Omega and has Omega's iconic design. Here's the promotional art we were shown at NA Fanfest.

It's even the very first word out of Raubahn's mouth in the English patch 3.5 trailer... but wait! The German trailer refers to it as "die Omegawaffen".

Which I take to mean that the differences between Omega and Omega Weapon aren't as important as some Final Fantasy fans make them out to be, honestly.

I never read this post from Fernehalwes, so thanks for quoting it here ! (And, just to be clear, I'm not being sarcastic, here, I really like to be corrected when it's justified)

So yeah, I admit my mistake : there is a beacon. So, if what Ferne said is true in all cases, Rhalgr did exist at some point (And that means Sophia, Sephirot, Zurvan and every other as well). But that makes me even more curious of who they were. But I guess we'll never truly have an answer for most of them...

Still... I'm not so sure that's the only way of summoning a primal. Granted, this might be the "typical", as you put it, way of summoning a primal, but... Did Phoenix exist as well ? I mean, I think we can all agree that Phoenix was a primal as well, but I don't recall any kind of reference to him in any way before his summoning. Since 3.5, you can maybe argue that it was a Firebird, but it seems... kinda off for me. It's open to debate, though, I just have a reasonable doubt about it being the only way to summoning a primal.

Yet, if we overlook that doubt and accept it anyways, I think there's still a way for summoning Rhalgr without him having existed. We don't know much about Ilberd, except the fact he still is a fervent defender of the mhigan cause. He was a child, when Ala Mhigo fell, so it's likely that he was admiring some of the warriors that protected his and the other exiled mhigans' escape to the point of revering them. So maybe his idea of Rhalgr is that of one of the men that enabled them to flee Ala Mhigo, so that would be the soul he'd call back from the dead.

I'm not saying that's what happened in any way, here, it's likely that Rhalgr and the other twelves existed (I mean, why not ?), I'm just saying that maybe we should be cautious with this. The extent of the "reconfiguration" isn't so clear, given how Garuda doesn't look like an allagan (and doesn't fight like one either), and how Bahamut was different from his former self. So could a simple soldier (or even a fatherly figure for Ilberd) be transformed, by this very reconfiguration, into a god-like creature ?

Aside from that... The aetherian remnants that are collected by the summoning, are they simply the remnants of the being that's being summoned, or can they be the remnants of the last incarnation of the primal ? There are still many questions, and you might disagree here, but I think that though Ferne's answer is really interesting and enlightening, we still have many things to learn.