The Feast is SO much better without chat

[Chronons]

You're obviously a skim reader, because you clearly missed the point. Let me spell it out for you.

I answered every one of your main points as clearly and as concisely as possible. Just because you may not agree with my rebuttals doesn’t mean I missed your message.

THE SYSTEM IS ALREADY THERE

Then what need is there for a change? You are advocating for it to be upgraded, reworked, or implemented more. All of which require the resources I laid out for you. The system SE has chosen to implement requires the initial investment of development, but no hassles of handling reports that having a chat requires into the future. No matter how emphatically you insist that using the ban system more wouldn't incur a cost, its wrong.

I never suggested that you suggested that ... moving on.

Well, you felt the need to write about how important it was for SE to invest in PVP so their game would have longer subscription periods. I felt it was pertinent to address it.

Firstly, you're still making arbitrary statements that you cannot back up with facts, such as "the casual PvP community does not generally care about having chat." SE hasn't done a survey or census on the topic, so I'd love to know how you know that the bulk of the casual community does not care about chat. The forum threads? Last I checked, we're 60 pages deep into this issue and there have been numerous self-proclaimed new and casual players who hate it. Even players who don't PvP hate it. Funnily enough, there's one just above my first response to you right here in this thread. Regardless, I'm not going to waste time arguing against empty opinions that cannot be substantiated. Moving on.

Surveys are not the only measure to be taken into account. I have news for you, people really vote with their feet - not surveys. If the chat removal was such that it was insurmountable by the PVP community, casual or otherwise they would stop playing PVP or worse - un sub. You do realize that you are discounting my opinion for your own unsubstantiated opinion right? Despite the fact that you have no evidence to suggest that your assumption is right. I can at least point to what people are actually doing as a data point for what might be true.

Their main objective is to make money, but nice try.

You do understand that it meant that casual PVPer’s objectives are fun and accessibility as opposed to others who want competition, strategy and long term goals. Wasn't talking about SEs objectives. Don't skim read, its rude.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and assume you weren't around in the PvP scene back in the day, because the reality is pretty far from your theory.

Nope, I’ve been PVPing since all there was Wolves Den. SE introduced team based modes like Secure and Slaughter to get more people to play that weren’t interested in the very straight forward Wolves Den mode. We then saw Seal Rock and Shatter added over time. Both of which added more of a PVE element to PVP modes. You can help your team now without ever having to actually PVP. SE has always been interesting in getting more players into PVP, especially their biggest player base – the casuals.

All of these things have answers to them that are completely unrelated to your point, so, again, nice try.

I gave you a laundry list of evidence. I'm sorry it doesn't back up your narrative, but its there none the less. Maybe if you call it arbitrary it will go away.

You hit the nail on the head with this one. It's abundantly clear that there are several things which you don't know, but you're right that SE does prioritize PvE content ... So what? FFxiv is a PvE game. It always has been. PvP wasn't even implemented until patch 2.1. It will always come second to the standard content, but what does that have to do with SE taking a responsible stance towards their product? No one is asking SE to spend oodles of money here or shift the entire focus of the game. We're asking them to stop wasting money on entirely new systems that are far worse than the one they already had in place. We're asking them to communicate with their players. We're asking them to stop violating basic human rights and freedoms. We're asking them to provide fair and equal customer service.

Wow there is a lot in this one. So you agree SE prioritizes PVE over PVP, then we can stop using Savage as a response to why PVP should get the same attention. Cool, MOVING ON. If you want them to stop wasting money on stupid things like chat macros then threaten to un-sub and mean it. They have already called the bluff. The only response we have gotten from SE is - Oh, we will make you some more macros that you hate. Please look forward to it. Beyond that you don’t have basic rights and freedoms in a pretend world played on the computer that you pay to be apart. Where is that Eorzian Constitution when I need it… SE can censor whatever, whenever they want.
Look, I don’t disagree with your sentiments. As I have said previously in this thread I am, have been, and will continue to be a FFXIV PVP junkie despite whatever SE does. However, I don’t agree that we disenfranchised players have any kind of moral high ground or authority over what SE does or will do with their business model as many seem to suggest.

Regardless of whatever twisted reasoning you're undoubtedly going to apply to this, these are not unreasonable requests, and even if what you are saying were completely true (which it's not), it wouldn't make it right. Hopefully, by this point, you can see that. If not, then I'm not sure anyone can help you.

Facts don't care about your feelings.