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    Glad to see the discussion still going strong. There are compelling arguments from both sides, both for and against the chat restriction. I myself don't have much to add. I've said what I intended to say, any further remarks would be merely a rehashes of points already made. And so, I leave you with this beautiful snippet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trotsky View Post
    Glad to see the discussion still going strong. There are compelling arguments from both sides, both for and against the chat restriction. I myself don't have much to add. I've said what I intended to say, any further remarks would be merely a rehashes of points already made. And so, I leave you with this beautiful snippet.

    Just because you find problems does not mean everyone does.
    1. that is a RL threat did yo report them?
    2. How do we know you did not tell a friend to send you those just to put in more proof for you vocal minority cause? banning chat does not stop toxicity! So in your view we should ban all chat? no tells no chat in pve, etc?

    You never seen the "good job spam" when someone dies etc? this change does not stop anything and just makes the situation worse, assuming that is real, that frustration can be blamed on the ban chat because no one could advise during you what to do during. Are you using all your PvP abilities? are you healing? Someone went at it with my friend for being "salty" because they would not heal her and choose to stone III ice.
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    Last edited by Ama_Hamada; 01-28-2017 at 05:26 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trotsky View Post
    Glad to see the discussion still going strong. There are compelling arguments from both sides, both for and against the chat restriction. I myself don't have much to add. I've said what I intended to say, any further remarks would be merely a rehashes of points already made. And so, I leave you with this beautiful snippet.

    Am I the only person who finds that more comical than offensive? Is today's generation really so thin-skinned as to take a barely-coherent all-caps rant like that seriously? Heck, the person who this tirade was aimed that doesn't even seemed to be that fazed by it, judging by their response.
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    Quote Originally Posted by loreleidiangelo View Post
    Am I the only person who finds that more comical than offensive? Is today's generation really so thin-skinned as to take a barely-coherent all-caps rant like that seriously? Heck, the person who this tirade was aimed that doesn't even seemed to be that fazed by it, judging by their response.
    Now you know who SE is appealing to
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trotsky View Post
    IP tracking system, lol.
    So this is what it looks like when totally clueless kids try to make threats with things they understand absolutely nothing about
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trotsky View Post
    Glad to see the discussion still going strong. There are compelling arguments from both sides, both for and against the chat restriction. I myself don't have much to add. I've said what I intended to say, any further remarks would be merely a rehashes of points already made. And so, I leave you with this beautiful snippet.

    The chat restrictions should be there, but not a blanket ban for EVERYONE, especially not in the middle of the season. They could have at least waited to push it until Season 4 started, or Season 3 ended if they a prelim week again. As for that guy screaming about a bad healer, report him. Stuff like that would be means for a permanent ban from the game.
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    Last edited by Jasott; 01-28-2017 at 06:46 AM. Reason: Forgot quote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trotsky View Post
    Glad to see the discussion still going strong. There are compelling arguments from both sides, both for and against the chat restriction. I myself don't have much to add. I've said what I intended to say, any further remarks would be merely a rehashes of points already made. And so, I leave you with this beautiful snippet.

    I have around 1497+ Games in the feast counting S1, S2 and S3, I have never EVER seen anything as bad as that ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vejjiegirl View Post
    I have around 1497+ Games in the feast counting S1, S2 and S3, I have never EVER seen anything as bad as that ever.
    Keep in mind that this is taken out of context. It's entirely possible that it's real, but it's also entirely possible that it's not. I've gotten into "toxic" arguments with people I know in the party all the time, but it's not actually serious because I know the person I'm flaming. I once told my healer, "I WILL EAT YOUR F***ING BABIES!" in chat because she gave me crap for pulling big (which she had actually requested in FC chat). Without context, our party probably thought that I was a total asshole. Meanwhile, my healer was laughing in FC chat and said "that should get me my last few comms" for her achievement. I called her a b****, but it was all in good fun. Nothing serious, yet someone, somewhere, probably thought it was toxic chat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Februs View Post
    Keep in mind that this is taken out of context. It's entirelypossible that it's real, but it's also entirely possible that it's not. I've gotten into "toxic" arguments with people I know in the party all the time, but it's not actually serious because I know the person I'm flaming. I once told my healer, "I WILL EAT YOUR F***ING BABIES!" in chat because she gave me crap for pulling big (which she had actually requested in FC chat). Without context, our party probably thought that I was a total asshole. Meanwhile, my healer was laughing in FC chat and said "that should get me my last few comms" for her achievement. I called her a b****, but it was all in good fun. Nothing serious, yet someone, somewhere, probably thought it was toxic chat.
    After you said that it might be real but the thing is it is likely at the end of a conversation talking about how one ends with 2 medals, 6 deaths an 1 assist. the person might of been questioning if this person was feeding on purpose, or playing badly just to provoke that reaction to "prove a point" But I think I was right in questioning it, and in some way, whatever the circumstance of those tells, esp with the "thank you reply" (to me this tells me the topic maker is sarcastic and likely acting in a way to provoke this kind of talk on themselves regardless) was some kind of set up.

    It is more suspicious to me at this point that the maker of this thread did not come here and explain more of that situation. Regardless this is a case of one person being bad so the whole community needs to suffer? i do not think so, I will not stand to be bullied by a vocal minority.

    Dear SE:
    Have you really thought about this? If a person kills another person with a car, should we ban all cars? at one point do you blame the person and not the system? Do you think you have nothing to do with this toxicity? Did you ever think a know it all PvE person will not like to be told "protect does not work in PvP" " BRD and MCH damage varies by distance" Do you realize the people being blamed for being toxic might not be at fault? Did you ever consider the person being so called "toxic" at the new player is out of frustration for refusing to listen? Some people do no take kindly to advice at all, Like:
    "Hey you need to esuna sludge, it looks like a red icon with yellow lines, it is why people are dying and making it hard for you to keep people healed"
    "Do not tell me what to do, I know how to play"
    If this was in pvp I can so picture a high rank person snapping at this point from ill feelings they should not lose points because unwilling to cooperate.
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    Last edited by Ama_Hamada; 01-28-2017 at 10:53 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada View Post
    Have you really thought about this? If a person kills another person with a car, should we ban all cars?
    No, you make rules stating what people can and can't do with their cars. Can drive up to x speed within the lines. Cannot run people over in a murderous rampage. Seems simple.
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