The Feast is SO much better without chat

[Dimitrii]

I'm inclined to disagree. The amount of likes my original post got clearly shows that plenty of people consider it a positive change. Otherwise the second post, the "we disagree" one, would've gotten a lot more likes in comparison.

The likes/dislikes on this forum are a horrendous indication of what the general population feels given the very small minority that even utilize it. Even in the PVP section most of the hardcore PVP'ers don't post on here they post on reddit. Regardless if you insist on using this ridiculous barometric then your thread has less likes than king Stefan thread about how horrible the change is and is completely dwarfed by that thread in terms of replies as well so your point is moot either way. Also using someone's else's experience in Feast and climbing is not a valid substitute for your exceedingly obvious lack of experience in the matter. No one is gonna take you seriously trying to hitch off the experiences of others.

[Trotsky]

Getting top 100 post Garo is a lot different than getting top 100 pre-garo. The quality of matches have gone way down.

How's it any different? Those are 100 best players, "best" being a combination of a numerous factors like skill, composure, determination, luck. They worked their way up there, you can't spin it any other way.

I'm almost positive he doesn't know all the intricacies. If he did, he would probably be near 80% winrate in this post-garo world.

That's simply unreasonable. Nobody's got such a winrate, not even people at the very top. It actually would be suspicious if they did, since there's so much randomness in the process. For example, there was one match where my acquaintance (let's call him X) and I have been placed on the opposite sides, and his team was defeated in a minute or two. We totally steamrolled them. Now, I'm sure X did his best, but some things are just out of your control. I recall they had a rather inept Silver healer, this might've been the cause. But what do you suppose X could say to him? "Hey, healer, how about less dying and more healing?"

But even with this in mind, the post below you for the opposing position has ~10%? more likes (as of this post) which says a lot considering the place we're in. I wonder what a "poll" for/against the chat ban would be if they asked players right before/after they entered a Feast match?

It should be noted that hardcore PvPers have been campaigning to bring the chat back. They've been campaigning on their Discords, their Twitters and whatnot. Shortly after I made this thread, one of the leaders of Chaos PvP community linked it in their chat, urging people to go and berate me. A lot of hostility here is from people who refuse to acknowledge the others' right to voice a different opinion.

[Ama_Hamada]

It is clear you do not care about PvP much, the people that care about pvp clearly disagree with you.

Also care to explain why there is chat in PvE when PvE is more toxic then PvP + it being needed less since the fights are scripted.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post4007914

68 likes, also it is possible people are not agreeing with you that are liking your post, they may be doing it to show SE why removing chat is wrong to show the personality type that likes it removed. A lot of times, new people do not want to be told what to do and will be aggressive no matter what it is said. "Hey do not charge in 10 people like that" the answer from the new person? "Do not be a cuck" I find it hard to believe you are completely innocent when you are trying to be this outspoken in a tool removal. I guess you think we3 should ban all cars because a select few use them to commit crimes with.

[TiramisuMacaron]

Great players usually get their ranking and retire. They normally play at the start of the season and sit on their ranking until the end. The start of Garo has introduced an influx of new players who generally have no idea what is going on. These players are playing each other and ranking up off of each other. Most of the great players are already diamond at this point so they don't even see these players. There was a player who had a 30% winrate with 400 matches on primal at the start of the season, now his winrate is 41% because he is winning a majority of his matches against the new Garo players. 80% isn't unreasonable right now. Look at zhuge liangg on primal, he's a great player... He started post patch, he has an 80% winrate. Your comments on this matter make you seem oblivious of the trends of feast, have you climbed in different seasons? It has always been like this. Garo and chat block has just amplified it.

[Chevronone]

You don't actually die in the feast, otherwise how does the healer bring you back if your dead, you only become incapacitated.

We need a forum message ban! My feelings have been hurt because someone informed me I was wrong about dying. Forums would be so much better with just blank white spaces and predetermined responses.

[Kai_Lee]

We need a forum message ban! My feelings have been hurt because someone informed me I was wrong about dying. Forums would be so much better with just blank white spaces and predetermined responses.

Ahhhh, there are forum banned, SE will banned individual who post obscenity. So I don't know what you are talking about but if your hurt by my reply to you, you can stop reading the forums.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Didn't seem like he wasn't referring to you personally, but merely enjoying the satire.

[Kai_Lee]

This is the forums, I don't post anything serious at all. Just read my post about how I interviewed over 250 of the top pvpers and the majority of them agree the chat banned was a good move by SE.

[Critical-Limit]

Because it's better to have people running around doing nothing right?

What's better: rude help or silence? Let me answer for you, it's rude help. Would it be nice if it wasn't rude? Yes, but even if it is, it's better to have people be able to say "Hey, actually play the game please" than to have to sit there and take it.

I was with you until "Hey, actually play the game please".

That's not help at all lmao.

Rude help would be more like "wow.. would you PLEASE kill this tank with all these stacks you idiots"

While being extremely hostile at least you can learn something from their words.

[Saiyakupo]

What an excellent post by the OP! I couldn't agree more. I sort of love Feast now. Though, the rudeness via fellow players didn't bother me that much before, it also wasn't even the least bit helpful. Now, with the simple click of a button, a person can say 'Attacking healer!' without sitting there typing an entire rant like 'Attack the healer you dumb scallywags or I'll kick u in the buttox!'