The Feast is SO much better without chat

[Februs]

It is a very lazy action to take but then given that it is a very minor game mode they probably don't want to put the resources in that would be needed to sort out the toxicity.

The population of the game mode is irrelevant in regards to SE's obligation to fix it.

The savage raiding community is tiny in comparison to the whole of the player base, yet every single issue that is raised within those raids is subsequently addressed and resolved in short order. The same could be said for things that are seemingly insignificant, such as Chocobo racing, Lords of Verminion, Triple Triad, or even minion collectors. We could sit here all day and divide the game up into it's many different parts and quantify the number of players in each, but the bottom line is that all of them, no matter how niche, are paying customers. We all pay the same subscription. SE is very firmly in the wrong if they think it is okay to discriminate against a portion of their subscription base, no matter how small that portion is. That is especially the case considering the alleged toxicity is by no means exclusive to any single part of this game.

[Risvertasashi]

Wrong, this thread is showing people debating a subject both sides feel passionate and justified about.

People disagree, people argue.

Ah if only. Sometimes that's true. There's a lot of actual flaming, barely civil enough to not invoke GM wrath. And in the feast before the chat ban, it was the sort of stuff GMs would take action about. And that's probably why SE did it... if anything it taking up a lot of GM time or is otherwise disruptive, they 'fix' it. Regrettable, but so it goes. I do miss the times I was actually able to coordinate some strategy, when the people that spam "Nice Job!" now would allow it...

In a way, though, it's terribly, terribly ironic that people can't clean up their chat(/posts) long enough to even ask for the restrictions thereby invoked to be lifted...

[Ama_Hamada]

Wrong, this thread is showing people debating a subject bothsides feel passionate and justified about.

People disagree, people argue. Restricting means to do so doesn't solve the problem, it merely forces people to withhold tensions and either vent elsewhere, or worse, act on them.

If restricting the chat was the proper fix for this, then what answer would you have for all the new people who have no means to ask questions and learn during a match? Or the veterans who are forced to stay silent and allow avoidable mistakes to go uncorrected?


People disagree, people argue. Restricting means to do so doesn't solve the problem.

Well here is the thing, i know why you said jameseoakes is wrong but I really think this point is being missed, especially when no one responded to it. A LOT, I seen a lot of this, toxicity happens because a person is trying to make a request or teach something simple, like " You really do need esuna for that debuff it does a lot of damage" , you know because some people, practically new players can easily overlook how much damage some of the dots do in this game, then pulls out the " do not tell me ho to play" nonsense. Even the this thread maker did it in a way:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post4014517

What I said went on deaf ears, I can't believe it, so yeah at that point you have to wonder if people like this topic maker are asking for it and provoking such toxic words to be exchanged out of refusal to pull their weight while thinking they are doing well enough. If this was the logic of removing chat from feast then ALL DUTY FINDER CHAT needs to be removed, stop singling out PvP feast because it is easier to do without mass backlash because there is not enough GMs to handle all the complaints in the game. (I am sure a live fest post of asking about PvE chat being removed would got 500+ likes, they just singled out the smallest audience, all it is)

I started posting on these forums specifically because I was appalled over this change.

[loreleidiangelo]

I think this thread is showing why we got this chat ban

Nobody seems to notice all the vitriolic pro-ban posts that are being reported and deleted too, eh? And nobody tries to respect the viewpoint of anti-ban, civil, calm posters either.

Overreaction in general is what led to a mass gag order like this to begin with - on BOTH sides.

[Yukumazi]

I think this thread is showing why we got this chat ban

Oh please.

Experienced Players Can't tell players where they messed up or help them improve
Casual/Newbie Players get a safe space to queue and do whatever they want and screw up and not get any sort of criticism for it because the moment they do, they get insulted or attacked and resort to reporting.

without chat ban, we had better communication.
with chat ban, we have dumb chat macros that doesn't really help your team at all
ex. "Attacking Healer"
Okay, does that mean you are just going to attack them entire time, or are you going to burst the healer
ex. "Adrenaline Rush Ready"
Awesome, But. when do we know you are going to use it. (in the end, you end up watching your teammate carefully for them to either whiff it or throw it and hope you can utilize it for a kill)

[Ama_Hamada]

Experienced Players Can't tell players where they messed up or help them improve
Casual/Newbie Players get a safe space to queue and do whatever they want and screw up and not get any sort of criticism for it because the moment they do, they get insulted or attacked and resort to reporting.

I thought it went more like, You tell them they did something wrong, get defensive, or say something minor, like "i know what to do, do not tell me how to play" then people tend to be "toxic" at that point and report it.

For the rest, yeah the people intent with those buttons are beyond confusing, and some chose to spam "kill healer" who has12 medals while another tries to tag the person with 200 going attack melee

[Arthur_Gwen]

I think this thread is showing why we got this chat ban

No.

This thread shows how many new pvper don't know the game/do better and they'll never have a chance to know

[jameseoakes]

No.

This thread shows how many new pvper don't know the game/do better and they'll never have a chance to know

I doubt they would get much from the end chat in a Feast game to be honest, not like there is really time to explain mechanics during a match.

[Nirokun]

I doubt they would get much from the end chat in a Feast game to be honest, not like there is really time to explain mechanics during a match.

Chat macros and chat during respawn. Really a big help for coordination with team and letting them know personal status (ex. need MP, purify down, LB ready).

[Arthur_Gwen]

I doubt they would get much from the end chat in a Feast game to be honest, not like there is really time to explain mechanics during a match.

No offense but

Apparently you never had a game with great players