1.0 player says "Expert Roulette" is a brick wall

[Daniolaut]

This was the last of my statements to Square-Enix of things I would like to see changed.

If this is changed or not changed, since it is the least of my things of interest, its unlikely to effectively weigh/influence my choice for staying or taking another break.

Any following responses were me, responding to people, as I thought it was opening a discussion, not an argument.

Thank you.

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Sorry for a repost:

Here is a thread, I support with a similar mindset:
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Tired of tomes grind thread




I have come back to this game after a 2-3 month break, but because of the design of expert roulette and tomes, I doubt I will resubscribe.

Since 2013, when this game released I have been doing expert roulette.

This is the only solid method to obtaining tomes, and I have very low motivation to do it, which means i'm very unlikely to resubscribe.

Imagine, if every single dungeon in the entire game gave half the tome reward as the two "expert roulette" dungeons.

Sastasha level 15 dungeon gave 50 Poetics, 40 Lore, 25 Scipture
Sohm Al Hard level 60 gave 100 Poetics, 80 Lore, 50 Scripture


Imagine how "undead" all the "old" content would be.

People wouldnt mind doing old content. It would be rewarding and you could always accomplish 2 tasks at once, allowing players to do more content besides expert.

People with limited time could do things other than expert roulette
and
People with a lot of time would never have to do expert roulette.


Why in the world of Hydaelyn Earth Universe of Vana'diel Eos, Gaia is the only viable option to obtain tomes expert roulette, and all the other content driven to death by lack of reward?!

Makes zero sense tome... (i just typo'ed that instead of saying "to me" but I think it fits so i'm not going to fix it.)



Edit:

Not only would giving tomes to all dungeons mean people actually have options, content doesnt die,

but when story content is released youre not forced to do it day one to unlock expert roulette so you can start getting tomes again,

which allows you to do story content on your own time/leisure!

[ManuelBravo]

Youc an actually get tomes in various ways now. Roulette is just a daily bonus method. Examples; raids, treasury maps, normal dungeon selection, beast man quest, if your job is capped any extra xp gets converted to tomes.

[Canadane]

I haven't done expert roulette in months and I cap tomes every week.
Tomes are not hard to come by. Put yourself forward to other goals in the game, it has a lot to offer.

[Chocolys]

A very quick way to get Tomes of Scripture right now is do go Frontline Shatter, you can get like 50 Lore + 20 Scripture every 20 min

[Daniolaut]

Youc an actually get tomes in various ways now. Roulette is just a daily bonus method. Examples; raids, treasury maps, normal dungeon selection, beast man quest, if your job is capped any extra xp gets converted to tomes.

I have been playing quite a bit this past month, and I only capped tomes 1 week out of 3 so far. The week I capped I spammed the Alexander story fights, and 4-5 expert roulette duneons to get some gear/cap scripture. (Expert roulette like 1-2 times that week, but had to do the dungeons on top of the roulette to unlock roulette in the first place.)

This week so far I have done expert roulette twice and already halfway passed my required 3.0 dungeons for the Machinist relic, and not even halfway to capping scripture.

Aside from scripture I have only been able to buy 4-5 pieces of lore gear from all the dungeons i have done.

Personally I feel if you play the game, doing dungeons in a level synced party you should never "have" to do expert. Personally I feel expert roulette should be for people on limited time, and should only have to do it 2-3 times a week.

5 times a week to cap tomes, and get a handful of other tomes in way over the top, especially when only 2-3 dungeons compile the list for the roulette.

Not only is this repetitive, but also kills "old" content. Again..

Imagine, if every single dungeon in the entire game gave half the tome reward as the two "expert roulette" dungeons.

Sastasha level 15 dungeon gave 50 Poetics, 40 Lore, 25 Scipture
Sohm Al Hard level 60 gave 100 Poetics, 80 Lore, 50 Scripture


Imagine how "undead" all the "old" content would be.

[Canadane]

Again my response is to mix it up. There's no need to only do expert roulette when so many other options give you tomestones.

[Astyrah]

Again my response is to mix it up. There's no need to only do expert roulette when so many other options give you tomestones.

this basically. an example routine i have is that (tuesday) i start it off by doing weekly savage loot/page runs, then vath beast tribes, a few hunts here and there, some potd, help friends with their relic aether farm (a1s spam), HW ex trial mount farm runs, and only 1 expert and i'm done for the week's scripture cap by wednesday or thursday

[Atoli]

The game throws tomestones at you in bunches no matter which content you do nowadays. The last time I even ran expert roulette a single time during the entirety of the patch was back in 3.3, and even back then it was like..once a week at most.

I do 24-man raids for the lore upgrade items, clear some old ex primals for Khloe, farm a bit of PvP for Garo event and by that time have already hit cap (usually Wednesday to Thursday) so I don't even get any more tomes for bird farming, raiding, mentor roulette, light farm, PotD for materia, daily beasttribes for dances and whatever else I come up with the rest of the week.

[Daniolaut]

Again my response is to mix it up. There's no need to only do expert roulette when so many other options give you tomestones.

this basically. an example routine i have is that (tuesday) i start it off by doing weekly savage loot/page runs, then vath beast tribes, a few hunts here and there, some potd, help friends with their relic aether farm (a1s spam), HW ex trial mount farm runs, and only 1 expert and i'm done for the week's scripture cap by wednesday or thursday

The problem is i'm trying to *avoid* a routine, and my attempts to "mix it up" are not rewarding the amount of tomes worthy of the time invested.

I want to play a video game to enjoy it, I dont want a second job.

The reason being, is when "new" content is added "old" content suffers a hit to rewards, yet do not reflect amount of time completed in relation to tomes rewarded, which in turns to said content's "death."

This is the point of the thread.

Renew old content by granting tomes in relation to time invested.



Example:

Just ran level 57 the Vault dungeon

Took as long if not longer than Sohm al (Hard)

Rewards:

0 Scripture
0 Lore
0 Poetics
0 Experience (already level 60 every job)
1,000 gil (not enough to repair a piece of gear (right? I dont know, I use dark matter.)
1-2 pieces gear worth like 400 or so Grand Company seals

[bounddreamer]

Same as what someone said above; it's ridiculously easy to cap tomes. When I'm very active, I cap by Wednesday. When I take it easy, I cap by Friday or Saturday. I rarely do EX roulette - typically only do it with FC mates when they ask.

If you're a returning player, there is a ton of content for you to do. All three 24 man raids, Frontlines if you want any Garo gear/rewards, Alexander Creator, pick up some dragonskin maps and try out Aquapolis, pick up Wondrous Tails from Khloe and get rewards in addition to doing a mix of content, Palace of the Dead, and if you haven't cleared all the extreme primals, try working through those from easiest (Bismarck) to most recent (Zurvan).

Some weeks I capped off one EX, a Dun Scaith or Weeping City, and running Alexander Creator trying to get a drop, all in 24 hours or so. Getting those Creator drops is tough.

If it's just a game and you only want to enjoy yourself.....relax and play it how you want, don't get caught up in forcing yourself to cap scripture. Do the things you want and use the scripture as it comes.