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    Vaer's Avatar
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    Ein Vaer
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    Excalibur
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    Scholar Lv 90
    They adjusted the potency of the healing spells up for AST (they are quite similar right now if you look at equivalent spells) but didn't touch the mp cost. Probably same reason here. Made sense before because the spells were lower potency but the mp cost is still from the old balancing. They just never changed it so AST spells are cheaper to cast than WHM equivalents.

    Who knows why. Probably to get people to play AST. Same with the Balance card buff.
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    Last edited by Vaer; 01-22-2017 at 11:52 PM.

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    DevilsDontFly's Avatar
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    Iroira Sinzha
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    Coeurl
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    Dancer Lv 90
    I mean, WHM also has Assize for MP while AST needs to rely on rng for the mana card, and most of that time the mana card is going to be burned to provide aoe bole or arrow to the party. The only reason for a WHM to be completely out of MP and/or having MP issues is if they have to constantly keep raising party members (which is not your fault as a WHM to begin with, and also applies to AST) or if they are heavily dpsing, which they can do far better than an AST anyways. Feels balanced to me.
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    Knot Destroyer
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    Asura
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    Scholar Lv 100
    But AST that can put their MP back to 100% after dying (for example) by LA + Ewer + CO, while WHM can't fully regenerate MP with SoS + Assize.
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    Reinha Sorrowmoon
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    Odin
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    Reaper Lv 100
    Azzize: 1387 Mp (at 723 Piety), 90s cd
    Shroud: 3535 Mp, 120s cd

    In one minute: 2692 Mp (scales with Piety).

    L. Aether: 5656 Mp, 120s cd
    Ewer: 2210 Mp, 180s "cd"

    In one minute: 3565 Mp

    In addition to the above the AST can use CO every 2 minutes to extend their refreshes: 1326 Mp more from Ewer and and 2121 Mp from L. Aether. That's assuming they don't give the Ewer to the WMH. If they do, the AST can add an additional 2210 Mp by extending the Ewer on the WHM with Time Dilation. In total they can support another healer with 5746 Mp every 2 minutes assuming their cooldowns line up with Ewers.
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    Last edited by Reinha; 01-23-2017 at 07:15 AM.

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    Gleipnir Valfalk
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    Maybe its because the white mage can proc free spell ? it would makes sens that he regen less mana since he regulary have free spell.
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    Chris Von'greven
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    Ragnarok
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    Dark Knight Lv 80
    There isn't a logic reason IMHO, they buffed the AST over and over to push away the idea that it's a bad job and increase its numbers. They'll rebalance everything out in 4.0
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    Rydia Stardust
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    Midgardsormr
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    White Mage Lv 93
    Freecure
    Play better. If you are having mp issues it is your fault. Stop fishing for a way to blame the other guy. This is not politics.
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    RaquelleAvarosa's Avatar
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    Raquelle Rosalia
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    Tonberry
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Edewen View Post
    Freecure
    Play better. If you are having mp issues it is your fault. Stop fishing for a way to blame the other guy. This is not politics.
    I just want to know WHY. Simple question. Stop fishing for a way to pick a fight. Gitgud in understanding.
    And no, I don't have mana issues unless people are dropping like flies to things they shouldn't.
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    Last edited by RaquelleAvarosa; 01-23-2017 at 10:24 AM.

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    Ven Black
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    Coeurl
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    WHMs have Assize on a separate cooldown

    ASTs only other option is the ewer, which is RNG, and better saved for the royal road. You don't see an ast using the Ewer on themselves ever unless they're that starved

    Using Luminiferous Aether also usually required you to use Celestial Opposition to get as much out of it as possible, but that is no longer needed, and you can use it for other things.
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    Last edited by Averax; 01-22-2017 at 10:31 PM.

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    Nhai Tayuun
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    Black Mage Lv 92
    Are we forgetting freecure here? 15% chance doesn't sound like much at first, but considering how often you cast cure, it triggers all the time during actual gameplay.
    AST procs only crit, that's all. They still cost the same amount of MP (~800 MP for me). While my WHM saves 900 MP when using Cure II with a proc.
    There's Assize too, and no, Ewer is no replacement because basically an AST that needs cards for himself sucks, he's supposed to either RR it or turn it in for another card if no one else in the party needs it.
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