DPS Job with no wated ability in rotation?

[xvshanevx]

Hi all you fabulous DPS players! I have a question for you guys that I hope you can answer.

Is there a DPS class that, in it's skill set and rotation, doesn't have a wasted skill?

What I mean by wasted skill is like Storms Eye for WAR, Rage of Halone for PLD, or Dragons Kick for MNK. Those skills are not "wasted" but just less optimal when another class is around or it simple does less damage. This also isn't the same thing as BLM's Freeze spell where it doesn't really fit into any rotation.

Using the tanks as examples are bad because both skills have their place, just for optimal DPS they do not, and everyone in this game seems to want optimal DPS.

[mosaicex]

Your idea for wasted skills is really weird, but whatever.

To answer the question, DRG BLM SMN BRD MCH should fits your criteria.

Also WAR's Storm's Eye is not a wasted skill since it comes after Maim, which is forced into your rotation anyway.

[Krindor]

Storm's eye and Halone wasted? I go full whine mode if there's not a War applying eye in my party when I'm on nin. Halone is needed for aggro as main tank. DK has blunt damage down which makes it needed even without int down.

[xvshanevx]

Your idea for wasted skills is really weird, but whatever.

To answer the question, DRG BLM SMN BRD MCH should fits your criteria.

Also WAR's Storm's Eye is not a wasted skill since it comes after Maim, which is forced into your rotation anyway.

Those skills are not "wasted" but just less optimal when another class is around or it simple does less damage.

Even when you try to cover all your bases...

[DarkerOrange]

Lol. By your definition, all skills must be 'wasted skills'...Any skill that is a key part of the classes main rotation can never, under any circumstances, be called wasted.

[aleph_null]

How in the world is storm's eye (slashing resist down) wasted? Even if the combo does a bit less dmg than block combo you still need to keep maim (20% dmg) up all the time, even if you have a ninja doing the slashing resist down for you, which is much less efficient than you being in charge of it since the ninja can use higher potency skills. Another thing to note is that when you're not currently holding aggro, spamming block combo too much is detrimental to your other tank's dps, so you should be using storm's eye more often.

If you meant storm's path (-10% dmg) it's a good skill for early progression/farming when you're still not geared enough (when your dps/healers risk getting one shot by aoes). Situational, yes. Wasted, no.

Halone is a low potency skill but still required to do tank swaps or pulls. Even though you want to minimize its usage, it's not wasted, just situational like storm's path.

Dragon kick is monk's blunt resist down debuff which can't be replaced by anything else currently in the game. Even when you have a drk for int down you should still use it for your own dps.

[mosaicex]

Even when you try to cover all your bases...

Not really sure what your point is.

Ok, PLD can skip halone with sufficient aggro, MNK can skip DK if there is another MNK applying it.
But WAR does NOT skip Eye in its optimal DPS rotation even if other WAR or NIN are applying slashing debuff, it is therefore, not a wasted skill by your very own criteria.

[Darkstride]

Uh....Storm's Eye SHOULD be used by a Warrior. It is a DPS loss for a Ninja to add it to their rotation, where it is natural for a WAR.

It isn't "less optimal" for a Warrior to apply the slash debuff, that's exactly what should be happening for optimal DPS, so that the Ninja can focus on pumping out more damage.

[StouterTaru]

BLM's Freeze spell where it doesn't really fit into any rotation.

That's a little misleading, since Freeze is commonly optimal in BLM AoE rotation.

1 - AoE trash pack, you've just used Flare > Transpose, and everything is under 15% or so HP. You could use Fire 3 > Fire 2 to finish off the group. During that time, if your target dies before you spell finishes, you might as well standing there doing nothing. Casting Freeze twice does more damage, and targets a spot on the ground, so it completes no matter what.

2 - Large group (8+) with high spell speed (1200+). Replacing Flare with Blizzard 3 > Freeze results in more damage if the pack survives for more than 30 seconds or so.

Optimal AoE damage rotations are based around infinite HP (and TP for physical dps), when you factor in actual HP, optimal rotation changes quite a bit.

[Yeol]

I believe people have misunderstood the OP, anyways.

I can't think of any wasted skills. I think for example if you had DRK and MNK then the DRK will not use Delirium since it does not stack with MNKs Dragon Kick. In this case it cosidered a wasted skill.

NIN and WAR have storms eye and WAR is expected to use it.

So it will depend on the party composition.