SE You may want to reconsider charging for this

[Meow_Zedong]

I actually made a prediction that read as follows, I made no claim of fact, just a prediction, here is relevant text from the OP:



If you perceive the statement of "as people choose not to pay to play" as a statement of fact, then you can take it that way, because someone will choose not to pay to play, even if its just one.

My apologies that bit was a "prediction" based on previous "facts" you claimed which were also on a sliding scale from "opinion" to "lie".

Mechanic- "Your car is a broken piece of shit sir. Driving it in this condition may harm what you think about both yourself, and the car manufacturer. How have you been driving this in this condition for so long?"

Owner- " WHat are you talking about!? They make the best cars around! What do you suggest I do?"

Mechanic - "Well normally I would say get a rental and leave it here with me until we can fix it, but because you seem to think so highly of the manufacturer, I am gonna make an exception. We will continue to service your car a few times a year in hopes of bringing it up to speed so to speak, but we are gonna have to charge you a monthly fee for as long as it takes us to do that."

Owner- "Can you guarantee my satisfaction with the final product that justifies this ridiculous fee?"

Mechanic- "Not only can we not do thatbut, for the first month before we start charging we are gonna paint half the car lime green and cut your front breaks. We'll paint the other half and fix you breaks after you start paying us."

Owner- "Ok, sign me up, but only because I am the dumbest fucking person on the planet."

Except for the fact that the "Mechanic" has outright said: Yep, your car is officially 100% fixed now, absolutely free of charge. We even let you drive it while we were working on it. Some people may say it looks like shit, but that's just their opinion. I'm a mechanic, and I think it's fine. Also, if you want pay us a bit every now and again we'll continue to trick out this car with new stuff and continual tune ups at no extra cost.

Sounds like a good deal to me.

[grandm]

the idea that ppl are leaving to play skyrim or SWTOR because SE are going to charge is very mis-guided, ppl have gone to play them games because they want to play them, and would be going to play them even if this was F2P, (oh wait it is free to play and these games have drawn a crowd) i guess what i'm saying is the ppl that want to play FF14 are going to stay no matter what comes out, and charging us is neither here nor there

[Dargoth_Draconia]

No, you actually used the word "fact" and used it to tittle your pure opinion as fact. An attept to pass knowingly unfactual information of as fact is, well, by definition a lie.

Recap: You flat out lie, at best post with intent to mislead. Then you want to claim someone lost there cool by refuting your post........Its like I stated before, you lost ll credability when you did that. You were ranting and making false claims. lets change a word in your above phrase......and i quote "You just lost your cool. Its this type of absurdly emotional ranting that I reference when I refer to" TROLLING



If that happens, then I am okay with that. My issue is that we have only hints of a few ideas of new classes, we have no time line for them or any factual confirmation one class similar to what you describe will exist. I am speaking of what we know and have confirmation of, not assumtions and conjecture.

I understand, but they had already said the next class to come when it does will be a mage class. We also know that Arcanists already exist to some extent it just comes down to the matter of when. That is where speculation comes in and for a fair size group speculation is one of the most fun parts of playing an MMO and guessing what will come next. Also they have hinted at level cap possibly going up in 1.21 speculation is up to 55, because that is not too much of a gap. If that is the case they can always add in our old spells they took away for higher level spells. Then again I guess this too falls under speculation,assumption and/or conjecture.

[Coglin]

Well dargoth......I get where you re comming from. But iI see where assumption and conjecture go on the forums here.
which class did you speculat Bard would be?
Which class did you speculate WHM and BLM would be?

There wee hundreds of post about those 3 jobs, and hundereds of posters posted as you did, who were also using convienent tid bits of information to claim ARC would absolutely not be bard, and that THM would absolutely posotively be WHM and that Con would absolutrly be BLM.

I chose not to believe post without a factual basis. I understand where you are comming from. I am aware Arcanist is already in game. SO are tons of classes, I read the dat. files. Musketeer is in game as deep as arcainist, but itdoes not mean they will be the next debuffing mage class.

[Meow_Zedong]

the idea that ppl are leaving to play skyrim or SWTOR because SE are going to charge is very mis-guided, ppl have gone to play them games because they want to play them, and would be going to play them even if this was F2P, (oh wait it is free to play and these games have drawn a crowd) i guess what i'm saying is the ppl that want to play FF14 are going to stay no matter what comes out, and charging us is neither here nor there

This exactly. A couple of my buddies went to play Skyrim. You know what? They are already back. The people that play this game WANT to play this game, so why would charging suddenly make them think the game sucks? The only reason I could see for someone quitting over billing is because they can't afford it, and that has to be a small minority right? You already bought the PC for this unoptimized beast, you can't be living in a cardboard box or anything.


Also, what happened to the Minority vs. Majority thread? I was interested to know how that would spiral down lol.

[Victor]

This game really isn't going anywhere lately, I feel like we're back to the point before 2.0 was announced. It's just going from bad to awful again.

[Dargoth_Draconia]

Likewise I see where you are coming from as well. They also said those classes may not be the next classes to come out but I was just making a point. To your questions if they were questions being asked for me to answer or just to make a point. At first I didn't want BRD to be from ARC, but that was because I feared they would be like the BRD from FFXI and not like BRD from other MMO titles. It makes the most sense though for ARC to be BRD because you look at games like EQ2 who uses a base class that turns into advanced classes later on and other MMOs that use similar builds you usually have the base class Scout. Scouts usually can turn into Ranger/Archers, Assassins/Thieves, Bards/Minstrels. If Archer is the base class for FFXIV it makes the most sense that they would be BRD over any other class currently in FFXIV.

WHM/BLM and CNJ/THM I wasn't overly positive. I actually wanted it to be how other people speculated it being especially with knowing that classes were getting spells changed around and what not. Did I ever truly believe CNJ wasn't going to be WHM? No, they were designed to be the main healing mage so it only made sense even if the lore didn't make much sense of it. But then again it is likely that both WHM/BLM is both classes just the main class is one over the other such as CNJ 30 THM 15 allows you to be WHM and THM 30 CNJ 15 allows you to be BLM.

[Coglin]

My references to Arc/Con/Thm were retorical, based on all the heated debate about them, once jobs were released. Alot of posters made assumption, then got insanely angry with the devs when they were wrong. I am just saying I don't want to see anyone feed the readers any reson to cling to idealogies that may not occur.

[MeowyWowie]

XIV will sink or swim depending on the PS3 release, they couldn't care less if more PC players quit the game right now. I'm surprised their shareholders have been this patient with the game bringing in no revenue (outside boxed sales).

I don't think this is entirely accurate. If you watched the last live producer letter, Wada said they're considering lowering sub fees, even if it means just 1 extra person plays.

As some polls have shown, the majority of the current players will be staying, even at full cost. So no matter how much they lower the fee, the extra number of players willing to pay would still result in less profit because more than 50% of those players would be willing to pay full price anyways.

This pretty much means that they care about their players, but they really have no choice but to start subs. They've been working on the game for over a year since release now, and they have every right to start charging.

[AmyRae]

As some polls have shown, the majority of the current players will be staying, even at full cost.

And by some you mean one. The one that was done here (if you can even call that Like button fiasco a poll). But fan sites that had them were all reporting polls where a majority were leaving, not staying. I'm sure it's going to get really quiet around here for awhile.