Severs seperated by language. Discussion.

[Paksenarrion]

I'd like to believe that none of my LS friends would want to move to Japanese only servers. ><

If you ask, I think most Japanese will say they wish they could speak English because they want to communicate with more people and make new friends.

I think the same goes for a lot of English speaking players. I'd love to be able to communicate with the Japanese players in Japanese. Sadly, my Japanese is very limited. Especially when it comes to writing.

[origamikitsune]

That's a big no. There were, of course, problems with language and racism in 11, but with 8 years under my belt in that game I can definitely say that the positive experiences bar far outweighed the negative experiences. IIRC, part of SE's original choice for multi-lingual servers was to bring people from around the together in a positive way and I think as a whole it was smashing success. It is one of the things that SE got right from the start, and one of the few things they did right in 14.

I admit, I was uneasy with it at first in 11, but I found that a little politeness and formality went a far distance, and even a little attempt at trying to understand other cultures (Japanese in particular) went above and beyond in smoothing over any problems.

While, "Please forgive me, I do not speak Japanese" was a great phrase to learn, I found that a different one helped me even more, "Will you please teach me?" My formative years as a WHM were under the direction of a Japanese player who took it upon themselves to teach me that phrase, and took me to my first XP party in the dunes.

[Abriael]

This discussion doesn't even make sense. The servers are already international, and turning them into separate ones would cause an enormous amount of problems.

This without mentioning that the truly internetional nature of this game is one of it's most enjoyable aspects. Anything different doesn't even make sense in today's globalized internet. There's absolutely no reason to prevent players from different regions to play with their friends.
Going back to an absolutely antiquated standard of slapping people in their own national ghetto is ridiculous.

[Paksenarrion]

That's a big no. There were, of course, problems with language and racism in 11, but with 8 years under my belt in that game I can definitely say that the positive experiences bar far outweighed the negative experiences. IIRC, part of SE's original choice for multi-lingual servers was to bring people from around the together in a positive way and I think as a whole it was smashing success. It is one of the things that SE got right from the start, and one of the few things they did right in 14.

I admit, I was uneasy with it at first in 11, but I found that a little politeness and formality went a far distance, and even a little attempt at trying to understand other cultures (Japanese in particular) went above and beyond in smoothing over any problems.

While, "Please forgive me, I do not speak Japanese" was a great phrase to learn, I found that a different one helped me even more, "Will you please teach me?" My formative years as a WHM were under the direction of a Japanese player who took it upon themselves to teach me that phrase, and took me to my first XP party in the dunes.

It's really amazing how helpful Japanese players are if you just put in a bit of effort and are respectful. What's even more amazing is that it's not even limited to the gaming world. It's true in real life too, outside of games.

[Forlorn]

It's a tough call for me. I played FFXI for years so I'm use to seeing multiple languages in chat. I'm use to trying to communicate with the auto translator. At the same time I've played other MMOs like WoW, Aion, Rift, where everyone pretty much speaks English and it's nice to know when I talk to someone they'll understand me.

A simple solution would be to name servers certain languages but not have restrictions where someone goes. This way people who would rather be with like speaking people they could be while others who don't mind or speak more then one language has options.

And last, if servers was to be split up it's not completely bad. It would be a huge change but if servers was split up then merged so there was a decent population on a server of people speaking the same language you would notice a huge difference. Regardless if you don't mind playing with a wide variety of people speaking other languages, most likely everyone sticks with people who speak your language. Given a server that is mostly the same language it will feel more populated.

[DarkRain]

Hi Reika,

I've been following the Japanese thread as well but haven't posted there yet.

I do think that the problems people have stated are more of the exception than the norm, but they tend to get amplified on internet forums.

The thing that concerns me most is the feeling that some English speaking players are 独善 (self righteous) which is also not true much of the time.

On Saronia there have been a few isolated "incidents" that I know of, but for the most part I think people are pretty good about playing with people from other countries and across language barriers.

Yeah our server there really isent any backlash with anything. I do remember one time someone was /shouting "if i see a jp tell im going to spam this..." and it was hatefull . So i shouted back yeah your an idiot this game is japanese , the main base is japanese , and the operating office is in japan. then basicaly told that person how much of an idiot thay were. Shortly after that the person stoped , hopefully quit.

But if i wanna get my gear fixed i allways auto-transulate something like this " lancer main hand repair please help me out /item brass nugett <pos> thank you^^ and i usualy get someone to fix it. That or ill shout in english some one fix my crap gear and take my gil please : ) lol im sure you may have seen that lol

As for the OP i agree keep the servers how thay are. And let the japanese players know we get just as meny rmt /tells as thay do and we agree it is annoying

[DarkRain]

Also wanted to add with the recesnt earthquake i think the Japanese players might now understand that we hold them as equals. And we care about them just as we do our own. (american . english , german , ext.)

And because at times we might not understand eachother at least we can all support eachother. Like the post in the Japanese fourms showing our support for the people there.

Also in FFXI when i was in a japanese party i wouldent speak because i dident understand. But i spoke the one language we all understand FINAL FANTASY!

Also to add i remember a time when Abyssea came out also. I had to fight geeze i dont remember his name but he was a metal knight big metal guy. Anyways it droped a Blue Mage item i wanted Mavi Tathlum . Well this JP party clamed it and i was a sad panda. So i said excuse me.. blue mage item can i have it? It was a drop from the guy. No one awnsered me nor did i expect them to so i was like ohh well. Then i got an invite from that LS to there party where in the loot list was the blue mage item and in auto trans. the leader said Darkreign lot bluemage O.K!
I was like GTFO! i was so happy and thanked everyone of them.
Ironclad executioner was the NM i remember now.

People just need to be respectfull and enjoy everyones company no matter where your from : )

[Abriael]

It's a tough call for me. I played FFXI for years so I'm use to seeing multiple languages in chat. I'm use to trying to communicate with the auto translator. At the same time I've played other MMOs like WoW, Aion, Rift, where everyone pretty much speaks English and it's nice to know when I talk to someone they'll understand me.

A simple solution would be to name servers certain languages but not have restrictions where someone goes. This way people who would rather be with like speaking people they could be while others who don't mind or speak more then one language has options.

And last, if servers was to be split up it's not completely bad. It would be a huge change but if servers was split up then merged so there was a decent population on a server of people speaking the same language you would notice a huge difference. Regardless if you don't mind playing with a wide variety of people speaking other languages, most likely everyone sticks with people who speak your language. Given a server that is mostly the same language it will feel more populated.

That's not very different than separating servers forcefully. As of course 99% people will go to servers with their same language not to be left with a very small number of people they can communicate with.
This would completely defeat the (widely advertised) international nature of the game.

Simply no. The game is international, it's been pubblicized as such, people already chosen their servers, and it will remain like it is.
9 years of whines didn't change the opinion of SE about this matter (thankfully), they sure won't change it now, esoecially since the communities have been getting along much better lately, from both sides.

[Mikita]

Anway I completely sucked at pulling. I was dnc and was not familar with that area. I felt so stupid and embarrassed. They never kicked me out. I appologised for my bad pulling. they got someone else to pull but let me stay.

That is so funny, because I know an American that will kick someone out of their party to get 5 more SP per kill.... It is people like that put a hamper on our interactions.

Wow. That is so sad.
For us to kick someone out of a party for being "unskilled" is just unthinkable.

[origamikitsune]

Wow. That is so sad.
For us to kick someone out of a party for being "unskilled" is just unthinkable.

I can't tell if you are being serious or sarcastic. Stupid text and lack of emotion. Regardless, I do happen to think it is unthinkable - at least before you offer to help. Some of my best friendships in 11 started because I sucked, and asked for help, or someone else sucked and I offered advice. Granted, in pick up groups, I am a lot more lenient. With my friends who claim to be hardcore I'll kick then from a party and tell them they can't get back in unless they bring me a coke (I frequently play with people who live next door to me). But obviously that's a different situation as I know them intimately and its all in good fun.