Is this a hack or BRD OP issue?

[Exira]

I'm not saying there is anything WRONG with Holmgang, I'm saying that there are classes that have skills that are very powerful in comparison to PvP vs PvE. I'm not complaing about getting rekted because, let's face it, I'm a bard. I am going to 'get rekted' as soon as someone gets physical with me and I'm silly enough to be on my own. I specifically mentioned holmgang because 1.) it's just a strong skill in general, 2.) it's my own, personal, running joke. I get caught in Warrior's holmgang's A LOT and that's my OWN fault. But it still doesn't stop me from doing a 'hello darkness my old friend' type of joke as that chain catches me and drags me.

Purify skill.

[LillithCale]

Purify skill.

Yeah. I know. Like I said, it's my OWN fault because I am the one making a mistake. Holmgang is still a powerful skill but that doesn't mean there is anything wrong with it. I feel like you are looking for an argument here that doesn't exist.

[Exira]

Yeah. I know. Like I said, it's my OWN fault because I am the one making a mistake. Holmgang is still a powerful skill but that doesn't mean there is anything wrong with it. I feel like you are looking for an argument here that doesn't exist.

It's fine i was just surprised by the model u used . I Mean u think holmgang ( 4 seconds bind every 3 minutes) is an amazing skill when a pld can permastun you for 8 seconds every minute. Same for ninja the worst melee class with no utility , same for bard who is not at machinist level.

[LillithCale]

It's fine i was just surprised by the model u used . I Mean u think holmgang ( 4 seconds bind every 3 minutes) is an amazing skill when a pld can permastun you for 8 seconds every minute. Same for ninja the worst melee class with no utility , same for bard who is not at machinist level.

Honestly, I didn't bring up PLD because I forgot about it. It's literally one of those "think of examples, provide examples I've had personal experience with'. For me, I've only been on the backend of a PLD stun once or twice so it's not burned into my mind like Holmgang is, but that's just a result of personal experience. As for ninja, I can't really comment on if it's worst melee class or not because I don't play it, but, I do know I have gotten my butt handed to me by ninja's before and have seen teammates get owned by them as well, which is what leads to the comment about ninjas. Really, it's all matter of what I've personally experienced so my perspective is skewed one way more so than from someone who has different experiences.

[Quinburger]

Well, as a warrior, I'd say holmgang is pretty amazeballs in sealrock.

Stuns (pld) build up resistances pretty fast. Where as binds are used much less in natural rotations, meaning DR often isn't triggered.

Holmgang also pulls the target to you if they moved since the cast, which stuns do not do (this allows you to yank healers behind a wall in feast for example)

Almost every time I press holmgang in seal rock, I'm yanking someone back into a pack, and they die. It's like a "kill this person" button.


All that said. Skills are different in pve and pvp. Bards burst hard. They're also squishey (I target bard's a lot, as they go down fast. Giggity) The point being made was that some skills that are good in pve are garbage in pvp, and vise versa (Tribind for example).

[Yukumazi]

1. Saying this as a friend. you really should just let this one go cause this isn't something that is a "issue"?
2. He possibly hit you with Sidewinder at the very end. all of the skills he used are ogcds. meaning they do not follow the global cooldown as other skills (ex. straight shot, heavy shot)
3. No it is not a hack
4. Bard is not OP, BRD has difficulty landing a kill based on range or getting his burst denied in a instant. He may not have used buffs but brd burst is still deadly enough to kill someone off-guard
5. throwing a stone 1 on a dps that is bursting you is not the best option and possibly will get you killed.
6. Holmgang is not a free kill.

[Ama_Hamada]

1. Saying this as a friend. you really should just let this one go cause this isn't something that is a "issue"?
2. He possibly hit you with Sidewinder at the very end. all of the skills he used are ogcds. meaning they do not follow the global cooldown as other skills (ex. straight shot, heavy shot)
3. No it is not a hack
4. Bard is not OP, BRD has difficulty landing a kill based on range or getting his burst denied in a instant. He may not have used buffs but brd burst is still deadly enough to kill someone off-guard
5. throwing a stone 1 on a dps that is bursting you is not the best option and possibly will get you killed.
6. Holmgang is not a free kill.

How is it not? I can be running with my alliance, suddenly, I am pulled with Holmgang and I can't move, I cant cast spells, i can't use abilities, and just die.

I'm not saying this to be nasty or anything....but ^ coupled with the fact you swiftcast stone...you sound like you have no idea how to PVP. Which is completely fine. It can be difficult transitioning into PVP: Skills that have little PVE use are often kings here. Was you close to him? You could have used Fluid Aura to interupt him for a second to get off a cure. You -should- have Swiftcast > Repose > healed yourself and waited for your team.

I'm not WHM but I'm pretty sure BRD is far from OP.

I was not hurt, there was no "Swiftcast > Repose > healed yourself" when I had full hp and stoneskin, why do you think the first hit did little compared to the other 2? I was far away simply trying chase the person down, they where running away from me, it was out of range of Fluid Aura. The person killed me before I could do anything, as in my global recasts did not finish when I died.

If this is "balance" in your eyes, how come I do not have different cast timers for cure, cure II, medica, medica II, and anything swiftcast? at the very least swiftcast > spell should not put me on a golbal cooldown? this is the brd logic after all.. well if whm was programed like bard, i mean.

[Yukumazi]

How is it not? I can be running with my alliance, suddenly, I am pulled with Holmgang and I can't move, I cant cast spells, i can't use abilities, and just die.

If this is "balance" in your eyes, how come I do not have different cast timers for cure, cure II, medica, medica II, and anything swiftcast? at the very least swiftcast > spell should not put me on a golbal cooldown? this is the brd logic after all.. well if whm was programed like bard, i mean.

When you get holmgang'd and you think that can possibly lead to a death.


Also, as a healer. your job is not to "Chase" people. yes you can throw a stone 1 and slow them, but it's not your job to secure/fight enemies. that's what DPS are there for. you can throw our skills and ability to negate their esacpes or make it easier for your dps to kill them.

[Ama_Hamada]

When you get holmgang'd and you think that can possibly lead to a death.


Also, as a healer. your job is not to "Chase" people. yes you can throw a stone 1 and slow them, but it's not your job to secure/fight enemies. that's what DPS are there for. you can throw our skills and ability to negate their esacpes or make it easier for your dps to kill them.

It didn't WORK!

If it's a lone WAR and they Holmgang me, I pop Equa and chain Bene II through the Fell Cleave spam, or just spam my instant shields on AST and wait it out. You can still cast stuff on yourself while you're 'ganged, you just can't cast on the WAR if he grabs you from behind.

If a WAR snags me with a pile of buddies right behind him, I Purify, Sprint, and GTFO. Works pretty much every time. Always makes me chuckle seeing them standing there impotently while I leave them in the dust...I imagine them shaking a fist at me like a cheesy cartoon villain as I roll out.

How where you able to do actions and I couldn't?

[Enlial]

It didn't WORK!

Purify can be used on others. You probably had someone else targeted. Could macro "/ac purify <me>" . You do sometimes want to use it on teammates, so might want to keep it on your bars alongside the macro