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    Ama_Hamada's Avatar
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    Ama Hamada
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    Balmung
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    Arcanist Lv 80

    Is this a hack or BRD OP issue?

    >>>BRD uses Empyreal Arrow.
    -You take 792 damage.
    - You take 1761 damage.
    -You take 1756 damage.
    >>>>BRD uses Farshot.
    -Critical! You take 2760 damage.
    >>>BRD uses Bloodletter.
    -You take 1075 damage.
    >>>BRD uses Blunt Arrow.
    --- You take 760 damage.
    >>>>unknown
    ----You take 1443 damage.
    > defeated

    I use swiftcast stone to heavy this person and I was dead before I was able do anything (ability wise because of silence) what gives?
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    Hamasaki Ayumi
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    Leatherworker Lv 60
    Not hack, just good old bard burst. Takes all of 2 seconds to pull off once the appropriate dots are on you. That last skill you got hit with is most likely sidewinder.
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    Lace Valeria
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    Jenova
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    Machinist Lv 80
    Barrage triplicates the next attack, and is often used with Empyreal Arrow. Tack on Farshot, and IF their dots are in place, Sidewinder, and that's essentially a full HP kill burst.
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    Last edited by ThirdChild_ZKI; 01-20-2017 at 05:38 PM.

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    Lola Milila
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    Midgardsormr
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    Archer Lv 70
    Yeah I do it a lot lol
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    Ama Hamada
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    Arcanist Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Hamayumi View Post
    Not hack, just good old bard burst. Takes all of 2 seconds to pull off once the appropriate dots are on you. That last skill you got hit with is most likely sidewinder.
    those where not used, i gave you the full log of 100% hp to 0.
    I am confused how much you can use when most jobs are on a global cooldown, this would be the equivalent of giving cure, cure II, medica, medica II, an regen their own cast timers, along with swiftcast +spell not effecting any of those "GC" Why is this allowed?
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    K'uso Watashi
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    Balmung
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    White Mage Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada View Post
    those where not used, i gave you the full log of 100% hp to 0.
    I am confused how much you can use when most jobs are on a global cooldown, this would be the equivalent of giving cure, cure II, medica, medica II, an regen their own cast timers, along with swiftcast +spell not effecting any of those "GC" Why is this allowed?
    It was actually miserys end. Sidewinder hits between 2-3k.

    Try using: Tetragrammaton, benediction, sacred prism, virus, and attunment
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    Gumbercules Thesecond
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    Hyperion
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    Miner Lv 80
    try some padding with vit acc too, unlike pve in pvp you are pretty much just doing w/e you can to buy "seconds" to be able to run, heal, los etc. As a bard if a person isn't very reactive i can borderline global them with my cds popped. Hell wait till a nin gets in a nice starter on you on anything besides a tank and you drop even faster XD

    though the vit acc rule now is "enough to survive lb" I think so its not full vit acc anymore someone feel free to correct me :P
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    Lillith Cale
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    Archer Lv 80
    As someone who plays a Bard, I can confirm this is simply Bard burst. Bard is a DPS class that was designed to be a Burst class. We do high damage for our opener but then as the fight carries on our substainable damage drops and other classes over take us DPS wise. In PvP, where the battles are much shorter than Boss fights in PvE, this makes Bard a very effective killer when it comes to squisher classes.

    Empyreal Arrow, Blood Letter, Far Shot and Blunt Arrow are all on seperate GCDs. The reason for this is because, before Wandener's Minute, Bard was designed as a Double oGCD class. So, we would hit something on GCD (Like Straight shot), then begin weaving in our oGCDs, which we have...frankly, a lot of.

    What you are seeing here is simply part of that old design coming into play with the NEW design, which allows us to hit Barrage, which will turn the next hit into a triple attack and is, 99% of the time, used with Empyreal Arrow due it's damage output. There is also a very good chance this Bard had their CDs up (which I don't know if those show in the combat log or not), as we usually pop Internal + Raging, Blood 4 Blood + Hawk's eye before starting our burst combo. Plus, when a target is at 20% or less HP we have an 'execute' known as Misery's End that will proc that is ALSO on it's own timer.

    I know it sucks to be taking down so quickly by a hail of attacks, and as a Bard myself, I've been torn to pieces by other bards, melee DPS and tanks because our spoony body doesn't hold up to much. In the future, if you see a bard, use shields and, if you have backup from your team, get close to the Bard. In PvP, a Bards damage LESSENS the closer (and, if I recall if you are TO far away) they are to the target, so there is a sweetspot Bards usually aim for when targetting someone that you can mess up by going closer or further from them. Also, you can invest in the Vit upgrades under PvP traits, and bring some vit accesories to pad HP.
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    Last edited by LillithCale; 01-20-2017 at 11:51 PM.

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    Ama Hamada
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    Quote Originally Posted by KusoWat View Post
    It was actually miserys end. Sidewinder hits between 2-3k.

    Try using: Tetragrammaton, benediction, sacred prism, virus, and attunment
    was down... Tetragrammaton was about to be ready when I was trying to hit it and i died with it ready dispite hitting it.

    Then I am just going to side with OP, no reason any job should kill anyone without being able to do anything
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada View Post
    was down... Tetragrammaton was about to be ready when I was trying to hit it and i died with it ready dispite hitting it.

    Then I am just going to side with OP, no reason any job should kill anyone without being able to do anything
    That is, saddly, a fact of PvP. Classes are balanced around being able to do PvE, less so PvP. This has lead to a number of classes, not just Bard, being able to kill someone without that person having a chance to breath. Warriors (why hello Holmgang, how are you today?) and Ninjas in particular do this as well, and I've seen well played Monks wreck DPS and Healers in a hot second. It's frustrating, yes, but PvP is still a work in progress for SE.
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