\o\ Finding your Sweet Lover (Or Nightmare) /o/

[Vidu]

Before I finally get some sleep now, I did think of something else I'd like to add - its a "personal" note to the OP:
Quite honestly, you didnt left the best impression on me with all your behavior - not saying this to attack you, rather stating my personal observation (if you dont get feedback on how you present yourself, how should you improve on that? - a general "you" here). And I actually think thats sad and I'm sorry about that - I probably didnt left the best impression on you either (and if just because I disagreed with you on something you seem rather passionate about; doesnt change my opinion though, sorry). So, I'm sorry about that too.
Maybe I'm to tired and therefor getting to personal because of that right now - sorry if anyone considers that inapproriate or "derailing" again, I promise, I'll leave it after this - but I would like to end this from my side on this note:
I would have prefered to get to know you, OP, in a different way, since I'll assume that you're actually a nice person, maybe even "friend-material".
So... I wish you the very best on your (eternal bond? ) quest - make the best out of the tools at hand. And maybe (even if its unlikely, given the data centers and such) we'll stumble over each other in some dungeon and actually get along, who knows? /shrug

Good luck, good night - and have fun playing your favorite game, everyone!

[Cleftobismal]

First I'll answer your last question, it's apparent you guys need to literally let this go:

and... telling everyone who doesnt agree with you to just leave isnt a good way to have a debate - I dont seem to be the only one getting the feeling that you're rather hostile and rather throwing out passive-aggressive replies instead of real arguments and having a proper debate. But thats non of my buisness - I've presented my points and I hope thats enough to show why I consider such a system useless at best, harmful at worst.

Oh and... telling everyone who doesnt agree with you to just leave isnt a good way to have a debate -

Because this:

Now you seem even more as if you're only trolling - not the best way to have a serious discussion about a topic you actually care about.

So I hope you got enough entertainment out of this and the thread just dies soon...

I'm done.
I'd like to take the chance to apologize on behalf of Balmung players everywhere, I swear to you we're not all like this. Normally we do a pretty good job of keeping them contained in the Quicksand, but it looks like one escaped.

--GOOGLE TRANSLATE--

I'm right. You're wrong.

I'm smart. You're dumb.

Stop wasting my time.

Better be careful not to derail the thread. It's not about EB remember? It's about making a new adventure pal!

Nah, hes looking for MaleXMale-action - so you need to get a Fantasia and if you go male Au Ra you get a 600% Bonus!

He seems happy replying given the wall of texts. I wouldn't say we're drilling him. If you can't take the heat stay out of the kitchen, right?

OOPS DERAIL MY BAD!

If he had the sense to stop replying to people, then it probably would be.

Unfortunately, it seems the OP is happy to try and have the last word to anyone with a differing opinion so it may be quicker to request a lock.

I'm afraid we're giving the Balmung mancat the attention he wants.

I welcome your overly passive aggressive response - feel free to click away if you feel you're being hard done by. You don't have to be here if you don't like the opinions being presented, after all.

I would literally have to quote every post you've made after the original and explain why you're refusing other people's arguments without actually refuting them. It'd be a waste of time because, after doing that, you'd plug your ears and go back to it.

There's zero reason to shoehorn romantic hook up RP tags into an adventure MMO in the first place, if you're looking for love either go to a dating site or, God forbid, go outside and talk to people. I can smell the Quicksand on you.

You post like how many times a week in the marriage thread and no one's chosen you. I know why I put people off, but I don't think you get it. On such a giant server like Balmung, which is likely exploding with the new patch, I'd say your problem is your "me, me, me, me have you noticed me yet? Have you noticed me yet?" disposition.

Like this thread.

As it's been stated, this isn't a dating site. If you really want an insta netflix and raid partner, make your own site for it. I recall Japan having one. But if you reaaaally care that much about other's people's chances then I don't see an issue. And keep it up, not just abandon the project as soon as someone's e-petting you.

Test your patience? Will you then reveal your final form?

And the truth of it all begins to show through. No one was paying attention to him in the marriage thread so he wants a system that would all but force people to.

Why do people from Balmung keep making us all look bad x.x

Let's be honest. How many of those posts are yours? I don't want to go through and count.

Cleftobismal i have seen you post in the Marriage thread about 30 times, reposting your application over and over again and getting ignored every single time. I'm staring to realise exactly why no one is responding to you.

Also, even though I'm sure you'll just burn me and dont want to hear this, but my first impression of your "application" in the marriage thread was: "What a jerk - is he making fun about the gay or gaming community? Or both?" I would advice you to act a bit more respectful and in a way that can be taken serious - spamming "Yaoi. Yaoi. Yaoi" for a whole column doesnt do the trick, it just seems childish and not as if you mean any of that - with this attitude a matchmaking symstem wont help you either.
And now I'll get some chocolate and wait for you to tell me that I have no right to judge you

I don't mind seeing any Smart remarks as long as it's related to the Topic at hand.

Not what you think I made this thread for.

Not what you believe is my "EB situation".

Not where you think I should be contained and other nonsense.

And definitely not what you think I am as a person. I could care less about these baseless accusations. I'm not here to run for any position that will over see your lives. Either stick to fighting against the arguments that are discussed here about the match making system or get out. The least you guys can do is make this less stressful for yourselves.

1. Matchmaking to marry!
- risk of turning the system into "just another quest I'll do because the game tells me to" - recently its something you and your partner choose to do for yourself (wether its about a real connection or just getting the items)
- risk of randomly pairing up minors with guys/girls (to be fair here) who have something else in mind than just getting a new mount to ride - with an official match making system SE either has to block this option for minors (and make you confirm your age) or take responsibilty for things like that happening. Neither seems ideal to me - and even if we can say that things like that may already happen in game once in a while, the enviroment of a marriage would make it more likely
- SE is running a video game, even if its an MMO, even if it "requires" interaction with other people, not a dating service (and again: this game is rated 12, at least in germany, I'm not enterily sure about PEGI right now)

I'm sure we can think of preventative steps such as disclaimers. I'll have to think about the measures taken for I can agree people are Crazy.

If you're worried about it being viewed as a Dating service. There are ways to lift that notion, such as having a buddy system. Think of it as a step further beyond the mentor system.

and yes, I dont have to use it - but why create a system that will probably lead to a lot of frustration?)

Not necessarily. That's why I stress the idea of something similar to the dropdown box selection.

Think of it as like picking an after School club. You will be bound to find other human souls who will be interested in whatever the craft is in a generic sense. What that craft entails of course may be Ambiguous as everyone has different feelings and opinions. This literally creates a way for players to explore not only others but themselves in who they wan't to play and develop with. (Raiding, crafting, making Gil, Relations, hunting, and Etc)

So... all in all - please explain to me why we need a system specially to make friends in this game when we already have a bunch of tools that help us to meet people, if we desire so?

- thus: why wasting ressources on such a system? And why clutter the ingame menus with yet another one?

Convenience and Efficiency.

That's just the way technology and human behavior is. It's an absolute fact we will always strive to make things better no matter what we currently have.

It's actually Square Enix Philosphy.

"1. Professionalism
　We shall exhibit a high degree of professionalism, ensuring optimum results in the workplace. We shall display initiative, make continued efforts to further develop our expertise, and remain sincere and steadfast in the pursuit of our goals, while ultimately aspiring to forge a corporate culture disciplined by the pride we hold in our work.
2. Creativity and Innovation
　To attain and maintain new standards of value, there are questions we must ask ourselves: Is this creative? Is this innovative?
　Mediocre dedication can only result in mediocre achievements. Simply being content with the status quo can only lead to a collapse into oblivion. To prevent this from occurring and to avoid complacency, we must continue asking ourselves the aforementioned questions.
3. Harmony
　Everything in the world interacts to form a massive system. Nothing can stand alone.
　Everything functions with an inevitable accord to reason. It is vital to gain a proper understanding of the constantly changing tides, and to take advantage of these variations instead of struggling against them. We shall continue to work towards harmony and serve as an integral part of this ever-fluctuating system.

　In order to achieve ideal performance levels, we as individuals, shall aim for a mutual respect amongst our coworkers, remain conscious of the duties assigned us, and place an emphasis on teamwork.
　As a corporate organization, we shall work diligently to maintain an optimal balance culminating in the ultimate satisfaction of all our stakeholders, including customers, shareholders, counterparties, and employees.
　As a business entity, we shall contemplate what functions we are to perform within the realm of industry, while acting in a manner that ensures the mutual harmony and benefit of all parties within it.
　Finally, as a member of society, we shall comply with laws and regulations while fulfilling our civic obligations, including community involvement and environmental conservation."

As for this:

Before I finally get some sleep now, I did think of something else I'd like to add - its a "personal" note to the OP:
Quite honestly, you didnt left the best impression on me with all your behavior -.....

What am I the Pope? My 'behavior' hasn't stooped lower than what the lot of you resorted to. If you wanna talk about someones behavior, think how you would approach someoone you're not fond of for whatever reason.

I personally don't mind if someone thought of me as Mother Teressa or The Devil himself. Why? Because none of you guys on this thread are saints here and take zero accountability for what comes out of your mouths. I'm not gonna even go into who started what. This is ridiculous.

Love me or hate me, this provides nothing for what I'm doing here.

Have a good night's rest.

[Fluffernuff]

I'm not even going to bother reading 13 pages of what seems like a huge hissy fit between a 'buncha people, soo... just gonna reply on the tread title/ original pitch

I don't pay monthly to play a dating sim. I pay for an RPG that I can experience with multiple people- friends and strangers alike. I've met my fair share of people that of become friends with- and closer. None of which relied on any in-game systems or having random strangers thrust upon me. or vice-versa


Frankly, you don't even need tools to find friends or romantic partners with anyway- you just need to be a halfway decent person that someone can enjoy being around.

[Magic-Mal]

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You cut out the parts that where you actually made us all stop caring. They stopped caring because you stopped caring about what they say. I, for one never threw any jabs at you at all and was only simply talking and being respectful. Then you started being very passive aggressive with me and threw jabs at me when all I was doing was being respectful and having a civilized debate.

You stopped caring about my words and told me to go away. :/

[Newmanxeno]

Time to stop replying and let this fade away people. Or just say "No I do not want this 'Adventure Buddy Finder' system." Or yes, I guess.

[Rennies]

I think everyone here deserves an extra yaoi partner. Clefto, you'll be mine. That's an order.

[Cleftobismal]

You cut out the parts that where you actually made us all stop caring. They stopped caring because you stopped caring about what they say. I, for one never threw any jabs at you at all and was only simply talking and being respectful. Then you started being very passive aggressive with me and threw jabs at me when all I was doing was being respectful and having a civilized debate.

You stopped caring about my words and told me to go away. :/

This:

Thanks for the jab ^-^



Free Company. Linkshell. A Keyboard



I never said I didn't like them. I said I didn't want them in a game for fun.



Right then let's make a system that makes it easier to play with people for duties. And an easier way to contact people in the world. Let's make a way to help newbies learn stuff. Oh wait..



Oh you mean the 2 other people who want this system over all who say no? Unlike the Hempen sets thread who has over 250 people supporting it.



Is it feedback you even want? Or just some " I agree add this!"

You've been getting feedback for all 9 pages.

What is there to debate about this? Especially the context you posted that in. Of course I'm not gonna respond to something like that. Gurl you can cry me a river if I gave you a Jab or not. I'm not here to win your heart or anyone else's. It's high time you guys consider if arguing with me like this is worth your life. It's a bit silly how you wanna focus on debating how I debate and chose who I should talk to and how I shouldn't disregard every irrelevant comment, because you think I'd give a hoot if you thought I was the seed of Chucky himself.

Move on.

[Hakuro89]

-snip-

Magic-Mal was being very civil at first, being someone with far more patience than myself. They wouldn't have gotten cynical with you if you hadn't been speaking to everyone giving you real feedback throughout this entire thread with that snobby holier-than-thou attitude.

Magical-Mal has used reverse Psychology!


It wasn't effective . . . .

Up to that point their posts were nothing but basic, common logic.

And FYI, the word feedback covers a wider range of responses than "I agree!". You dismissed every single post that was even remotely against your idea, whether they explained why or not.

To expand on Magic-Mal's feedback in particular-
(I'll be using quotations from here because it won't let me quote inside of a quote)

You- "It just makes it easier to find a potential play buddy."
Mal- "Free Company. Linkshell. A Keyboard"
-The only tools the rest of us needed to find the friends and connections we have. We didn't need a system to facilitate that. If you're unable to use these tools to do the same, either you have zero social skills or just aren't that likable of a person. And before you even start I'm well aware I'm not either, I'm a jerk and I know it. But the vast majority of the other replies here were not, at least not until you replied back to them.

You- "Or how about the fact despite us having Link Shell's and Free companies, someone just had the idea to make a thread."
Mal- "Right then let's make a system that makes it easier to play with people for duties. And an easier way to contact people in the world. Let's make a way to help newbies learn stuff. Oh wait.."
-Party finder, friends list, free companies and linkshells, novice network, and even /search and /tell if you really wanna go bare bones. A little sarcastic, yes, but the point is there- there's already plenty of ways to establish connections in the game to use.
And to expand on one of those, I'll use it as an example- the novice network. That is in almost no way functioning as its creators had intended it to. Even the mentor status. People I've seen rarely use that right, what makes you think your system would be immune to the same toxicity and deviation that the others fell victim to?

You- "Why not go a step further when the interest is clearly being shown?"
Mal- "Oh you mean the 2 other people who want this system over all who say no? Unlike the Hempen sets thread who has over 250 people supporting it."
-I can't really make that any clearer. There were 3, maybe 4 (last one sounded wishy washy) on pages 3 and 5 in support of this. The rest of the thread that wasn't you wanted nothing to do with it. The other thread in question has a mountain of support compared to your 3-4.

You- "I need more feedback and information before I do such a thing. Until then you can read on through the posts. As you should be doing anyways, for someone may have already asked and has been answered."
Mal- "Is it feedback you even want? Or just some " I agree add this!"
-This I really can't sugar coat either, and don't dismiss it just because it's me talking either. You've shot down, dismissed, and nitpicked points out of their context out of nearly every post in this thread that wasn't in direct support of this.

Then to top it all off you dismissed the same post twice as a personal attack just because it was a little cynical. You can dismiss me, call me a troll, call the moderators on me, I'm too dead inside to care. Why should I, when you don't about any opinions that were given here save for the 3 that sympathized with you?

[Cleftobismal]

Snip

What I said about anyone's behavior in my posts is not up for debate. Everything I quoted was written not by me. I've clearly expressed I'm not interested in anybody acting like a saint on my topic.



That is all. I'm not responding to anymore posts irrelevant to the point of this thread.

Use what information I gave you to put your hearts and mind at rest. For this petty discussion is over.

[Vidu]

What am I the Pope? My 'behavior' hasn't stooped lower than what the lot of you resorted to. If you wanna talk about someones behavior, think how you would approach someoone you're not fond of for whatever reason.

I personally don't mind if someone thought of me as Mother Teressa or The Devil himself. Why? Because none of you guys on this thread are saints here and take zero accountability for what comes out of your mouths. I'm not gonna even go into who started what. This is ridiculous.

Love me or hate me, this provides nothing for what I'm doing here.

Have a good night's rest.

Wow, I'm amazed - I literally am, not even being cynical here. I am well aware I'm no saint either, but I understand that what was meant as a friendly outreach from my side in the end wasnt even welcome. I'll leave it at that - and because I dont have the time to actually quote each and every post of you: please, clean before your own doorstep before making a list of when people responded in a not-super-friendly way to you. You started this thread of with phrases like "Enlighten me with your wisdom, oh FFXIV community" when people did not agree with you and "Let the door hit you".
I see now that even kind words are wasted on you - I was actually willing to engage in a healthy discussion at that point but it seems to me more and more that all you can do is spit into peoples faces. I'll leave you like that, have a good day, sir - and should you ever require some friendly, not topic-related interaction, you're welcome to make an alt on Odin, find me and we can see where that leads us - I actually mean that.

On behalf of the topic: I think, I summed up my arguments well enough already, as far as I can tell the majority (so far) seems to rather agree with them, so... discussion closed, since all the contra-side (as in: the OP) brings to the table now are accusations and not arguments?

Still, to respond to your argument about "Convenience and Efficiency" - is that really how you view friendship? Because a convient and effient "buddy"-system is in order - it "buddies" you up with other people for raids, trials, dungeons etc. and is called the duty finder. Let me tell you that meaningful relationships between people dont form out of "Convenience and Efficiency" - and sometimes things that seem like they would be effient and conventient are just unnecessary for the majority (like, I dont know, those funny fish-shaped "tools" that help you to seperate eggs and let you save 2 seconds of your life) - this seems to be the case here. Many have expressed that they are completly satisfied with the systems we have and that they dont have a desire for yet another one. Why "fix" whats not broken? Why shift SEs view from providing a game with game content to an enviroment to find your best friend? Thats simply not what this is all about...