Why do people say its spoiling?

[Fyce]

If you have so little free time, then you probably shouldn't be doing content on day 1. You should be waiting until it's a breeze.

The point is that it's called a "blind run" not a "stupid run". So if you get kicked because you tell that dude who died 10 times already to avoid an AoE, then something is wrong within this community.

Besides, a "blind run" doesn't mean that the mechanics never get explained. If you absolutly want zero advice for the whole run, then turn off your chat, but don't start wasting people's time just because you're selfish and want to figure out yourself why the whole raid wiped 4 times on the same boss. Enough is enough.

So, no, someone shouldn't have to wait a month before playing a new patch just because people aren't able to figure out mechanics by themselves within an acceptable time.
There's a limit on how much people should be entitled/selfish.

The rule should be: people shouldn't explain the strat before the first pull, but don't expect them to hold their tongue after a few wipes or if they still see the same people getting killed.
It's called a compromise. A thing that a lot of players don't seem to know about.

[Fyce]

You should be waiting until it's a breeze.

TIL: A day is a month.

TIL: People clear the new 24-raid like "it's a breeze" after a single a day.

[kuma_aus]

Waiting a day or so won't kill you.

Why should people be forced to play the game the way you would like them to? If you want to have a blind run, then go have one and disable chat. Aren't you complaining because you're forced to play in a way you don't want to? Why are you now advocating for the very thing you were complaining about? Or is it okay when it happens to other people and not to you?

All I see is people complaining that others don't cater to them when they don't even do a 10 second fix to prevent any problems. If you want people to cater to you, put in some effort yourself.

[MomomiMomi]

Why should people be forced to play the game the way you would like them to? If you want to have a blind run, then go have one and disable chat. Aren't you complaining because you're forced to play in a way you don't want to? Why are you now advocating for the very thing you were complaining about? Or is it okay when it happens to other people and not to you?

All I see is people complaining that others don't cater to them when they don't even do a 10 second fix to prevent any problems. If you want people to cater to you, put in some effort yourself.

DF is vote by majority. If you're getting kicked out, you're in the minority. Go put up a PF if you want things done your way. If you're using DF, you are under the whim of the majority.

[Alistaire]

DF is vote by majority. If you're getting kicked out, you're in the minority. Go put up a PF if you want things done your way. If you're using DF, you are under the whim of the majority.

Why do people still believe this? It isn't. 2 vs 2 on a vote, the vote goes through. And it's easy for people to queue with someone they know to ensure a kick no matter how ridiculous the reason.

[Sciwolf]

I would have dropped group and craft for 30 minutes. I have no tolerance for morons.

[Niwashi]

When content has been out for quite a while, people knowing it (or getting explanations if they don't) is the normal expectation, and anyone wanting a blind run should say so and preferably get a group together for that express purpose.

In the first few days when brand new content is released, blind runs are the normal expectation, and anyone wanting teammates who know what to expect should be the ones setting up groups for that express purpose.

If it's patch day and you don't like blind runs, either put up a PF, or wait a few days. Either will work.

[Magnificent]

I woke up at 4:30am just so I can experience new content without people spoiling the fights. I like the thrill of not knowing what will come and being in a group with other people who don't know what they are doing too. Sadly, I had to go out and when I returned in the afternoon my friend and I entered one of the new dungeons, the tank that joined us had ran it before. We kindly asked him for a blind run, but he completely ignored our requests and kept telling us the mechanics. My friend and I tho ended up turning off chat... but just the rudeness of the tank left a bad after taste.

[ElHeggunte]

This is a personal pet peeve of mine. I can understand wanting to go in blind, but if you're doing it at the expense of the time and enjoyment of the rest of the group, you're being an asshole. Sometimes it's okay for you to wing it because a failed mechanic simply means only you die, but plenty of fights have mechanics that can easily destroy an entire group if you do them wrong. If someone tries to inform you ahead of time of what to expect, they're doing it because they already wiped a bunch of times and they're trying to spare you and the rest of the group from the same. Listen.

Going in blind may be fun to you, but you know what's not fun? Wiping 9 minutes into a 10 minute encounter because one guy didn't want to be 'spoiled' and refused to join in while everyone else discussed mechanics. Especially when it happens more than once because mechanics aren't always clear enough to learn on the first shot (and some people are idiots). Don't be that guy, be a team player.

[MomomiMomi]

If someone tries to inform you ahead of time of what to expect, they're doing it because they already wiped a bunch of times and they're trying to spare you and the rest of the group from the same.

No, they're doing it to spare themselves from wiping.