Zurvan EX; closer to A12 Savage...

[Xyno]

Very sad, that the game become more casual and less challenging. Im disappointed. Again

[bswpayton]

Very sad, that the game become more casual and less challenging. Im disappointed. Again

Because its more causal players in the game and if these things cost alot of money to make and you have 500 k subscribers and only 50 k to 60 k of those players like hardcore content then if I was a business Id make stuff for that other 450 k subscribers.

Like I mention earlier I don't believe it will ever be a time when the top elite players in this game will feel satisfied with how hard the content is in the game if you are a math genisus by some chance you cant expect a teacher to make test based on your knowledge alone they have a whole class room to worry about. So the same can be said about this game, this primal will give many people a challenge Im sure , SE cant help that some people have mastered their game to the point that nothing is going to be good enough.

[oLLiCS]

People killed Zurvan Ex around 1 hour after the patch went live. We got our kill very quickly after a few wipes (not even one lockout). We even skipped something at 75% and that happened with only 2 raiders in the group. This is one of the easiest bosses to clear. I'm fairly disappointed with the patch. Thought the last one was too casual already but...this one is even more.

People without having the kill are already on the solo tank strat.

[IllyriaKnotfred]

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That was really well said.

[Lodinn]

{SNIP}I don't believe it will ever be a time when the top elite players in this game will feel satisfied with how hard the content is in the game{SNIP}

We're not talking top elite here. Top elite clears the raid tier on week 1 and sells runs/quits the game.
Good estimate is when 10% of server population clears the tier, people start complaining about no new content (need a new tier). If that happens half an year in right before the next patch it's a nicely tuned tier (people help friends etc so the number of clears grow even besides 'natural' prog with all 8 players getting their first kills). Look what happened now. ~10% of EU downed a12s 2 months in approx and that's when raiders got unhappy. Make like 50% of people clearing the tier - and it takes away the sense of accomplishment from the rest, elitist or not. The only measure of how hard the boss actually is is the amount of people clearing it.

[Ultimatecalibur]

People killed Zurvan Ex around 1 hour after the patch went live. We got our kill very quickly after a few wipes (not even one lockout). We even skipped something at 75% and that happened with only 2 raiders in the group. This is one of the easiest bosses to clear. I'm fairly disappointed with the patch. Thought the last one was too casual already but...this one is even more.

It seems that the 95% to 75% phase is actually one of the hardest parts of the fight. Skipping Soars makes the fight much easier.

[Thayos]

5 hours only if you go in blind.

Actually, most of us had watched the videos, and a couple in the group already had clears. But battles in FFXIV are designed so that your team is only as strong as its weakest link. It took us about 3.5 hours to have a run that we finally performed without mistakes, but then we hit the enrage timer at 2 percent. Took us another 90 minutes to get in another flawless run, and this time we won. Our next goal is to win with enough consistency to farm.

[Lodinn]

It seems that the 95% to 75% phase is actually one of the hardest parts of the fight. Skipping Soars makes the fight much easier.

It does, and the amount of people skipping it on day 1 is alarming at best. Like I said, Soar being (relatively) easy skippable - and skippable at all - is basically a design flaw. Raiders already have it easier due to gear so it creates an artificial gap between those who can skip and those who can not. People ragequitting after no skip will be a thing really really soon.
More so, it should be not skippable cause in the 1st phase it's forgiving (recoverable) so people are supposed to learn that mechanic before it gets actually punishing by failing it, recovering and learning from mistakes.

[Lodinn]

But battles in FFXIV are designed so that your team is only as strong as its weakest link.

Most, not all. Sophia is an exception from that general rule. Like 10 ressurrects per fight/heal lb3 each run was a thing back then, and the fact it *allowed* that much is what's making the fight so easy. Make each fail a oneshot rather than vuln stack and it'll get much, much harder. Alas, it was not.

[Zumi]

I haven't had time to do the fight yet so. If I already beat A12S a lot of times then it should be really easy?