Thread: Revelations from Patch 3.5

Originally Posted by Theodric

The Warring Triad

It always did seem like Regula had more respect for his men than say nael or even gaius. It's a shame he couldn't return and become a reoccurring character in another expac or something.

So a thought occurs, given what we've gotten in 3.5 already, and can expect to come in 3.55. Figured this was the best place to jot down my thoughts.

We know that 3.55 will deal with Nero and the Omega Weapon to whatever extent. We also know that the Omega Weapon, based upon its Raid Title, has something to do with Time. In 3.5, we witnessed Papalymo apparently give his life to seal away the Primal Rhalgr that Ilberd summoned, an act which left Yda stricken with grief. In the 3.5 Patch Trailer, we see Yda in what looks to be some kind of control room related to Omega, pound a button which likely serves to trigger some kind of mechanism. So I'm thinking what if Nero is going to use Yda's grief to manipulate her into helping him activate Omega for his own ends, whatever they may be? Tempting her with the prospect of undoing Papalymo's death?

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I have a feeling Papalymo will in fact still be alive because, as the rule states, if there is no body he ain't dead. Regardless of this however its almost certain that his spell will be revealed to have a VERY short timer...and even worse those reinforcements that Ilberd had called in to unknowingly help summon the primal are probably the same ones going after Omega in the trailer. Most likely not only will Nero be the one to suggest using Omega, but the reason the GC Alliance will go with it is to keep the primal out of Garlean hands. Yda pushing that button is probably her atleast trying to keep Papalymo's (supposed) sacrifice from being in vain. How well this works out, well, we'll have to wait and see.

Oh also, you are now thinking about Lahabrea hijacking the primal summoning somehow because of the eyes being used. Which could also mean he will hijack Omega.

Warring Triad

I'll admit to being in the minority when it came to thinking Regula would die as I thought he would live, so hey I was wrong. That said I could see Varis allowing experimental procedures be used on Regula in an attempt to bring him back, OR if he actually isn't dead but is near it (clinically dead or whatever) it would achieve the same thing. This could lead to further Kefka parallels as the returned/reborn Regula would be driven isane by the results...but this currently is idle speculation on my part.

As for our good friend Unukalhai color me surprised on him staying, though I gladly enjoy it! This does make me think that the WT will indeed be required for completion in order to move on to Stormblood alongside Regula's death. Also he for sure will end up allying with us in the end when it comes down to us vs Elidibus, though it wouldn't surprise me if it takes some time for him to decide where his own path will go. This could also help flesh out Elidibus's character more depending on how he views Unukalhai, as an asset or someone he actually cares for.

Warring Triad :

Sadly we saw Regula dead. And that make me so crazy. At last, they make a really good time between him and Scions, showing how careful he can be. He said he could die as much as he can for his country and friend. Even if I liked all, I found his death so unfair, like a lot of things in this game. We are watching like idiots, why the Warrior of Light couldn't help ? For all we have done in this story already, I would imagine, the WoL is powerful yet his/her reactions in stories, make me yawn sometime.
I can't relax and say it's a good end for him. Even if it's a good end at some point, showing how he can be powerful, careful, amazing and able to talk with us... It's not enough. I was waiting for a lot more.
But for me, the end of the Warring Triad story was too neglected.

They are erasing people and content they don't need anymore for the next expension. Without think that we wanted more for some of them. I can't hide my disappointment.

All I can say is...

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Can the Ala Mhigan resistance ever catch a break? lol

Well I didn't get to everything yet, so...

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Called it!

Well... close enough. Nobody's prescient. (Except the scenario writers.)

Didn't expect Ilberd to kill himself for this though. I also didn't... well, I suspected Papalymo would sacrifice himself, but was hoping we were done with all the sacrifice plays.

Either way... Ilberd being the Griffin, him being the final boss on Baelsar's Wall, the attack being a false flag operation (though not the exact angle - how the hell was I supposed to suspect the Resistance had a bunch of Alliance uniforms conveniently ready?), the dead soldiers' aether being used for the summoning, and Part I ending with the new primal's sealing in "White Dalamud"... I called all of it...

Bet it's Shinryu or some shit...

But...

God damn it... we can strike down false gods and true demons as morning exercise, but we can't stop one madman's stratagem to force open war with the world's superpower? And our comrade had to sacrifice himself to buy time? Like Minfilia I was not overly fond of Papalymo... he didn't get enough screen time to really endear himself to me, and what I did see of him was kind of... ehh... but even so...

Damn it, why...?

At least we had the option of refusing to let Papalymo sacrifice himself, though as expected it changed nothing. Of course I chose that.

I spent the rest of the day working on my Anima Weapon - damn glad I got the 3 dungeons and 15 pneumite before fighting Zurvan and doing Dun Scaith. It really freakin' bites when you go to 10 hour shifts on patch day... I'll get to Zurvan tomorrow and Dun Scaith over the weekend. And get back to the political debate on Garlemald's ethics and morality, if people are going to drag it in here.

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So, I feel like I speak for everyone I have played with and talked to about this that the Griffin reveal was no surprise at all, we all 100% expected it to be Ilberd. What I did not expect was how far he'd go, and I think it was brilliantly done. First ofc the false flag operation, but moreso the sacrifice of his own countrymen through a false flag operation WITHIN the false flag operation xD
It also served to subtly make the power balance between Garleans, WoL and regular people obvious: the spider robot that we as the WoL could kill with relative ease just completely DESTROYED entire squadrons of regular people, showing once more why the WoL is OP. That said, one spider robot was an entire miniboss fight, so beating it took quite some effort for us too, and Garlemald can just mass produce them without problem, so that shows how much our power scales in comparison.
I really quite liked that, because in the 3.55 scenario I constantly just felt like screaming at the screen "omg WHY are you letting this happen, you are stronger than all of them together, throw a Flare at them and escape together, goddammit!" and telling myself it was their "choice" to not do so was a weak excuse. Here it's made obvious that even if we had wanted to interfere, we couldn't. We could neither stop the army of spider robots singlehandedly nor would it have made a difference to try and stop Ilberd, since the sacrifices had already been made and if he had died from the fall or our attack would not have changed a thing. That made the whole scene really ominous and exciting to me ♡

As for Papalymo's presumed death: mh..I honestly expected that too? ^^"
Like, knowing Yda would play a major role in Stormblood, I was pretty sure they do something that would serve as a wake-up call to her character, and seeing as Gridania had TWO Scions (aka one to spare), I fully expected something to happen to him, even if it wasn't full-on death. That only became obvious in the first cutscenes of this patch with Papalymo's narration about how Lousoix taught him about how you can't have nice things without the sacrifices that come with it and how he resolved himself to sacrifice himself should the need arise.
When it did happen, I like how we got an actual choice how the scene would play out, and as I chose to stay, I DID get surprised by how he actually did ATTACK you to throw you off the wall and onto the ship! O.o).
I don't know if it's the fact that I expected it that I'm more shocked than sad or if it is because really, I didn't care about him all that much..?
Y'shtola and Thancred both got a lot of story focus at some point, so anything happening to them really had an impact, but the Gridania duo never really mattered all that much, and even in the city opening, Papalymo was far outshined by Yda's bubbly active personality. If feel he could have used some more set-up to actually make it emotional that he sacrificed himself.
Well, assuming he is dead at all. Never trust SE when there is no body..

Zurvan

Hah..idk, I feel like this came out of nowhere, honestly.
I know, I know, the thought behind it is that Mr. Stagbeetle realized the technology he wanted to bring to Varis was faulty and therefore not worth bringing and we teamed up because we had the same goal, but none of his interactions before this patch ever even remotely set this up. And the technology wasn't even flawed - it was his own men that broke it! It's really just that Garlemald should maybe use guards to actually protect the technology, something that Allag couldn't do since, you know, they died thousands of years ago?!
And that heel-face-turn on morals felt really forced too, because again, he never showed even a hint of this before. Pay-off without setup feels never really satisfying, sorry :/
That said, I'm now digging Varis more than before. He might be a decent dude, even if we are at war with him x) I'd hand over Eorzea on a silver platter if it wasn't for the whole "kill all who can summon/turn into a primal" thing, which kind of sucks when your entire populace can do that (thanks Shiva, Thordan )..so yeah.

Too bad we never got to see Sephi's believers. Sophia's were very human, but seeing how unique Zurvan's followers look, it's a shame we didn't get to see beautiful "tree-like" beings :x

Dun Scaith

will update once I've done that