SCH pet glamors?

[Celef]

So screwed that they were the DPS of choice at several points over the last 4 years. Yes, totally screwed...

::rolls eyes::

Not talking about the class "power" as a DPS, talking about the class in itself, the way it was designed and how they screwed the summoning part in summoner.

::rolls eyes:: too

You can't call "Summoner" a class that gives you only 3 different pet to use and focuses on DoT, especially considering the background of SUM in FF history (juste take Yuna from FF10 for instance, 10 different Eons, each one with it's "personality").
That's not a SUM, that's, at best, a "kawaï necro" because SE does not want us to play with dead things while using diseases as our main way to DPS^^"

[Kosmos992k]

Not talking about the class "power" as a DPS, talking about the class in itself, the way it was designed and how they screwed the summoning part in summoner.

::rolls eyes:: too

You can't call "Summoner" a class that gives you only 3 different pet to use and focuses on DoT, especially considering the background of SUM in FF history (juste take Yuna from FF10 for instance, 10 different Eons, each one with it's "personality").
That's not a SUM, that's, at best, a "kawaï necro" because SE does not want us to play with dead things while using diseases as our main way to DPS^^"

Sounds more like you are upset that you can't have the full size Titan at your right hand or Garuda at your left. Honestly, if SMN was implemented the way you appear to wish, the balance of jobs would be destroyed, not because of the job's power, but because of the ridiculous amount of effort that would be poured into that one job.

Imagine Summoner had come out in 3.0 instead of 2.0. Instead of Machinist we got Summoner, it's identical to Machinist except the turrets look like Ifrit and Garuda and the job quests go on about the mighty power of your fearsome "primals".

It would be a good class, sought after for raids, but it would be a pretty rubbish version of Summoner. Not everything is about the numbers.

Except allowing players to summon real primals would break the lore and logic of the setting, it would also make SMN the only job to play since who would want to play anything else if there is a job that let's you bring forth a real primal at your command? I honestly think that sticking to that kind of expectation for Summoner is really unrealistic, and complaining about it now to defend a lopsided pet glamour, just comes over poorly - IMHO.

[Celef]

Sounds more like you are upset that you can't have the full size Titan at your right hand or Garuda at your left. Honestly, if SMN was implemented the way you appear to wish, the balance of jobs would be destroyed, not because of the job's power, but because of the ridiculous amount of effort that would be poured into that one job.

Not really the big ones, but at least more than just 3 to choose from if we keep that system, procs on my spells adding little ones for example, basically a gameplay based on the summons and not just me DoTing and using my egi abilities when up.

I used to call summoners class (in all games) "classe a bebette" in French wich you can transltate by....euh....class with a lot of minions maybe ? Because you have that feeling of having a lot of creature at your service, some of them being just the way your attack looks like (for example the witch doctor in D3 that through jars full of spiders at the enemy, it's just a simple attack but the spiders in it gives you that idea that you control the creatures) or being a gameplay mechanic (like WoW's warloc % of proking "adds" on the ennemy when using specific attacs)

I agree with on the fact it would be impossible to balance and so does SE thus we have Egi glam, a way to give us the illusion we have multiple choice and summons ^^"

Plus I don't see why we could not have bigger (not more powerful) Egi like in "It-Which-Must-Not-Be-Named" just for the look

that's a pretty succub....Shiva
(consol limitation maybe ? I'm very bad when it comes to technologies so I don't know how powerfull they are^^")

[DynamoAce]

We only just got Egi glamours, something they've implemented brand new.
Give them time and I'm sure Scholars will also get glamours for their fairies.

[Jandor]

Summoners are accompanied by pets, Scholars by fairies.

Fairy glams, sure. Same options as Summoners, no.

[Lambdafish]

Same options as Summoners, no.

You are right, but both should get carbuncle. SCH came from ACN too remember.

The glamour isn't a "new" model, they are just allowing us to revert to Carbuncle's appearance so that we have an actual character model with semi-defined features as a pet.

The devs said they will be adding a new egi glamour every patch if they can, carbuncle is just the initial system being implemented.

[Jandor]

You are right, but both should get carbuncle. SCH came from ACN too remember.

True, Scholar should probably be reworked as an advanced job at this point though. It has enough of its own identity to justify the split.

[Leigaon]

I wouldn't say you'd get carbuncle, but SCH might get glamour fairies later. Maybe they'll introduce them in ways like he carbuncles. Or maybe a SCH boss that uses a fairy, or could just be regular trash mobs. Would be annoying but nice to see a mob that has some of the stuff a SCH has, and get a dark fairy in return glamour wise.

We got our glamour because of how SMN wasn't designed, and the fact there were a ton of threads on it compared to actually fixing the problems. Though I wonder if they'll stick with the egi route, or find a way to upgrade them.

[Hasrat]

You are right, but both should get carbuncle. SCH came from ACN too remember.

What this argument misses is that the fairies are pretty well different pets entirely, while the egis are still basically the carbuncles. Emerald and Garuda are the same. Topaz and Titan are the same. With Ruby tacked on because Arcanist doesn't get an Ifrit-equivalent. So the glamour system so far is just admitting the egis were a disappointment to begin with.

[GMERC]

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What this argument misses is that the fairies are pretty well different pets entirely, while the egis are still basically the carbuncles. Emerald and Garuda are the same. Topaz and Titan are the same. With Ruby tacked on because Arcanist doesn't get an Ifrit-equivalent. So the glamour system so far is just admitting the egis were a disappointment to begin with.

I'll resist the urge to spell out why and how you have particularly bad taste and instead explain that you're not exactly correct on the Eos/Selene being substantively different from Carbuncles to the point where there'd be any incompatibility.

Eos has 3 animations. Spell charging (Embrace, Whispering Dawn), Embrace Casting, and a third Twirling Casting animation used for the execution of Whispering Dawn, as well as the instant abilities Fey Illumination and Fey Caress.

Selene also uses those same 3 animations. Selene is, in effect, already herself a Pet Glamour, honestly even more so than our newly released Carbuncles are for Garuda, Titan, and Ifrit.

Emerald Carbuncle has 4 animations. Spell charging curl-up (Gust, Downburst), Spell casting uncurl (Gust, Downburst), Shining Emerald's unique animation, and a "scratch behind the ears with hind legs" animation used in Backdraft.

Not relevant to SCH but worth mentioning, Topaz Carbuncle has 4 animations unique to it. Gouge makes up its Malee attack by way of a somersaulting tackle, Shining Topaz is a standing spin attack, Curl is a unique standing self-buff animation, and Storm is a slightly different variation on Gouge.

As you can pretty plainly see, Emerald Carbuncle clearly has enough animations already existing to be able to take the place of Eos or Selene, especially since those two are in fact pretty barebones as animations go.

I would however like to take a moment to address the outright silly comment you chose to close your post with, as it's a baffling mentality I've seen echoed about a fair bit in response to the likes of Egi and Egi Glamour.

The Egi Glamour system is no more "just admitting the egis were a disappointment to begin with" as the Clothing Glamour system is "just admitting that everything you wear in the game is ugly except the things I or you like." Egi Glamour is a thoughtful response to the fact that, had they introduced new Egis without some system to encourage Summon Rotation (that is to say, rotating between different summons during battle), we'd be in the exact same position we found ourselves in without additional summons. You know it, I know it, everybody knows it. For just about anything you do right now, Garuda-Egi is the go-to Summon for the job. A new summon without a reason to use multiple summons in a single encounter would only accomplish one of two things. It would either replace Garuda-Egi as the one-and-only Summon, or it would be markedly worse than Garuda-Egi and not see common use until a buff comes along and changes our situation to the one where it replaces Garuda-Egi. Even you must admit that neither of those are desirable outcomes.

Additionally, limiting 'new' Summons strictly to future expansions adding a Summon IV, Summon V, etc kind of sets a hard limit on what summons we could ever feasibly acquire. Like, at that point we'd be lucky to get anything beyond Leviathan, Ramuh, Shiva, and possibly but very unlikely a Bahamut or Odin.

Instead, a much more sustainable long-term idea was proposed. An idea to reduce summons to individual roles and leave their appearance up to the player. Yes, implementation of Egi Glamour has been extremely slow (taking until the penultimate patch of the expansion to make good on their promise) AND only starting with a pretty sparse offering (not even an Obsidian or Diamond Carbuncle, despite bothalready being perfectly present within the game), but I think it's a step in the correct direction. What this means is, in the future, we can potentially receive Egi corresponding to just about any Primal we encounter. And really, having been a SMN enthusiast prior to Heavensward, the idea of being able to pick and choose which Summons I use is more than I could have asked for.

Now the only long shot is whether or not we'll ever be graced with the majesty of a Remora-egi.