If parsing is needed to clear challenging content then why is it not in the game?

[SargentToughie]

That's some pretty good hyperbole putting a parser on the same level as a school report card. Though to take your thought, a parser is more like a pointless pop quiz, your raid wide completion might be a close analog to a report card.

Except that's exactly what it is. It's a measurement of how good you're performing at a given task, and giving it a grade. A parser might be more of a pointless pop quiz when people use it in faceroll DF dungeons, but it's an important tool for measuring raidwide contribution, figuring out where your weak links are, and where you can improve. Practically essential if you want to really take raiding seriously and not hold down your team.

That said, you can also complete fights by getting carried, especially in this cycle. I've seen a lot of people clear A12S just because they have time to bash their faces into it for days upon days on end, waiting for the team where they get lucky enough to have their slack picked up.

Saying that success is measured only by completion is like saying that you earned that A while you napped while the rest of your group pulled your slack and did your work for you. It's something that's really hard to appreciate if you don't raid, since 4 man dungeons don't have hard enrages or DPS checks.

[Frowny]

The ACT plugin for triggers is getting pretty borderline

To provide a counterpoint, I've seen people in A10S derp on callouts even though it is well scripted. Out>Spread>In called, melee go back to keep uptime and someone has a brain fart nuking the group though we called it well in advance. This advantage is akin to triggers and doesn't mean a whole lot in reality since it doesn't DO the actions for you or remove responsibility.

The real problem comes down to mentality. I've gotten REAMED for pointing out where a DRG or some other class I know can improve ("hey, you want to keep Heavy Thrust up as much as possible"). If people get mad and pull "I play how I want" with that, imagine the fit they'll have when numbers are available.

[Xyno]

The instrument to control their performance is their own hands. A parser doesn't make your hands play better.

Dude, are you really...? As I sad, parser gives an oppurtunity to CONTROL self performance and see to is it good or not. If it is not, so it will push the player to make it bertter


I Want to ask those, who are against the in-game parser. For what REASON? Will its existance make your mounts or glamours or houses not good? The parser will not effect your useless casual content, dont be afraid. Or you just fear, that your poor performance will be visiable? But dont afraid- there are lots of low-skill players like you to play with

[Cenerae]

Parsers aren't *needed* to clear challenging content.

A parser is a tool that is useful for a player/a raid group to analyze the performance of themselves. You do not require the use of said tool to clear the content. But people that want to use one have the ability to use one for the goal of self/group analysis. I don't see a compelling reason why suddenly it's super important to have an in-game parser. The people that care are already using one. Or do you think that we need parsers for 4 man content suddenly?

[Xyno]

Parsers aren't *needed* to clear challenging content.

A parser is a tool that is useful for a player/a raid group to analyze the performance of themselves. You do not require the use of said tool to clear the content.

Exectly. To CONTROL.

LEts imagine the situation. Static in hard-core content. Cant pass the DPS check. Players gear is good, tactic is good too, healers tries to damage too, nothing to think here. So, what is the reason? PArser can show who of the DD didnt show a proper DPS

Of course no need in parser in usual casual everyday content, but in the END -game hardcore content statics REALY NEED THE PARSER!

[SonKevin]

A parser is just a tool that you use to inflate your ego and tell others to 'git gud' with.

[Nicobo]

No DPS meter just like riding a car without speed meter. ^^;

This games is full of blind drivers but I have never seen a newbie/noob playing bad if they have parser.

[Kosmos992k]

Except that's exactly what it is. It's a measurement of how good you're performing at a given task

In this context, I believe that your report card is your completion of certain content. It varies from person to person in terms of what they want to do/play, but all a parser gives you is a number, it doesn't tell you how good of a player you are or how well you play the job and/or role you have. The most it can tell you is that in the specific conditions of the fight you parse, you executed your rotation with X% efficiency. It doesn't tell you how well you avoided avoidable damage, it doesn't tell you how well you did with a mechanic, or how well you did picking up or shedding adds, it doesn't tell you whether or not you were aware enough to see that one of your team mates needed help and you drew an enemy from them to help, etc, etc... All it is is a number. It falls very far short of helping you or anyone else actually get better at their job or role. It can give you bare numbers, but no nuance.

No DPS meter just like riding a car without speed meter. ^^;

This games is full of blind drivers but I have never seen a newbie/noob playing bad if they have parser.

An experienced driver can tell from the gear they are in and the pitch of the engine what their speed is, they can feel the car move and know if they have good traction, and a really good driver can tell simply by looking through the windshield roughly how fast they are going. Having a speedometer doesn't teach you how to drive, how to steer, brake, park, etc. Your speedometer doesn't teach you lane awareness, or to look in your mirrors, it doesn't navigate for you, or handle stop signs and traffic lights. Your speedometer can't teach cadence braking, or steering into a skid, how to handle ice or hydro-planing. A speedometer can be a useful tool, but it's a limited tool, and really not a major part of being a good driver. So, your analogy fails.

By all means people should improve their play, but a parser, damage meter, or log analysis or whatever other method can only tell you about one facet of what you need to do - damage output.

A parser is just a tool that you use to inflate your ego and tell others to 'git gud' with.

Similar to telling your mates at the pub that you got your Mustang up to 100 mph on the Motorway/Interstate/Autobahn. Ego inflation, bragging and telling your friends that they need to do the same in their cars...aka 'git gud'. Yep, you called it, absolutely.

[Inori-Yuzuriha]

I always report people using parser.

Do the same.

[Watachy]

A parser is just a tool that you use to inflate your ego and tell others to 'git gud' with.

I need more salt.

Make it happen.