If parsing is needed to clear challenging content then why is it not in the game?

[Sciwolf]

From a viewpoint of a casual player, I see a lot of discussion regarding DPS and HPS parsing. Just about every you tube video about DPS rotations has a parser running. A lot of serious raiding guilds require specific minimum numbers on FFXIV logs.

Now, to be honest, I have never stepped foot in savage. But I just want to understand. If the current savage content is so challenging that people need external programs to measure their performance, then why wasn't it implemented in the game in the first place?

Now the argument that I most often hear is: "because having a DPS meter promotes elitist attitude." It seems like a lazy and weak argument, honestly. Because people are now using external programs as a workaround.

Also, if you implement DPS/HPS parsing in the default UI, at least in endgame, then more players might be encouraged to re-learn or change their rotations.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Because its not. You can complete any content without a parser.

[Khanscott]

Because its not. You can complete any content without a parser.

Regarding a 3rd party website already mentioned, I often wonder just how many people actually know how to read statistical data. Percentiles are nothing without the sum total of their associating factors.

[Kosmos992k]

Because its not. You can complete any content without a parser.

Exactly.

People need to learn to do without the crutches and stand, walk and run on their own.

[SargentToughie]

Exactly.

People need to learn to do without the crutches and stand, walk and run on their own.

Yeah, just like how report cards are a crutch when you're in school. No wonder today's youth all eat paste. They should learn to stand, walk, and run on their own.

[Kosmos992k]

Yeah, just like how report cards are a crutch when you're in school. No wonder today's youth all eat paste. They should learn to stand, walk, and run on their own.

That's some pretty good hyperbole putting a parser on the same level as a school report card. Though to take your thought, a parser is more like a pointless pop quiz, your raid wide completion might be a close analog to a report card.

[SargentToughie]

That's some pretty good hyperbole putting a parser on the same level as a school report card. Though to take your thought, a parser is more like a pointless pop quiz, your raid wide completion might be a close analog to a report card.

Except that's exactly what it is. It's a measurement of how good you're performing at a given task, and giving it a grade. A parser might be more of a pointless pop quiz when people use it in faceroll DF dungeons, but it's an important tool for measuring raidwide contribution, figuring out where your weak links are, and where you can improve. Practically essential if you want to really take raiding seriously and not hold down your team.

That said, you can also complete fights by getting carried, especially in this cycle. I've seen a lot of people clear A12S just because they have time to bash their faces into it for days upon days on end, waiting for the team where they get lucky enough to have their slack picked up.

Saying that success is measured only by completion is like saying that you earned that A while you napped while the rest of your group pulled your slack and did your work for you. It's something that's really hard to appreciate if you don't raid, since 4 man dungeons don't have hard enrages or DPS checks.

[Zojha]

Your presumption fails at the "If", because a parser is not actually "needed" for clearing challenging content - yet. The ACT plugin for triggers is getting pretty borderline and if SE designs fights with the assumption that people use it in the future (i.e. lower the time you have to react to make up for that advantage), it likely will become de facto mandatory.

That aside, well...we have at least a dozen of parser threads already, so I'll leave it to the rest of the forum to argue forward and back and then forward and back and then go forward and back and put one foot forward and back over and over.

[Aamalthea]

Your presumption fails at the "If", because a parser is not actually "needed" for clearing challenging content - yet. The ACT plugin for triggers is getting pretty borderline and if SE designs fights with the assumption that people use it in the future (i.e. lower the time you have to react to make up for that advantage), it likely will become de facto mandatory.

That aside, well...we have at least a dozen of parser threads already, so I'll leave it to the rest of the forum to argue forward and back and then forward and back and then go forward and back and put one foot forward and back over and over.

I /clap and also <3 you.

[Frowny]

The ACT plugin for triggers is getting pretty borderline

To provide a counterpoint, I've seen people in A10S derp on callouts even though it is well scripted. Out>Spread>In called, melee go back to keep uptime and someone has a brain fart nuking the group though we called it well in advance. This advantage is akin to triggers and doesn't mean a whole lot in reality since it doesn't DO the actions for you or remove responsibility.

The real problem comes down to mentality. I've gotten REAMED for pointing out where a DRG or some other class I know can improve ("hey, you want to keep Heavy Thrust up as much as possible"). If people get mad and pull "I play how I want" with that, imagine the fit they'll have when numbers are available.