Pugilist Tanking

[Kikosho]

Considering you had Blindside on your bar still, you could have used it with Follow Through for extra dmg while Victimize was on cooldown. And if you're confident with your hate, could always have a LNC taunt it so you Blindside + Victimize.

The 2 things I noticed is you were taking a lot of damage compared to our marauders, and that this was an easy run as ifrit made a lot of jumps.
I think that on a low jump run pugilist would either get owned, or simply deplete the mages mp.
Maybe after 1.20, or 1.21 this might be a bit more viable.

Even with low jumps it's still very manageable. All melee classes can main tank Ifrit.

[Mardel]

Even with low jumps PGL has a larger MP pool. MRD tosses a cure and they are just about depleted. Right now PGL is just in a situation where many people favor LNC because of Ifrit.

A well equipped pgl can keep up dps and survive a bit better in many other situations. The AoE arguement is usually null in terms of spiritbind. If you want AoE your just going to have a MRD anyways.

Thing is PGL absolutely needs skills from almost all classes while some lnc can get away without some. Follow Through also does decent dps by itself w/o the blindside, which makes it great to have on your bar. My current issue is Concusive Blow. The dps from the skill is crap and for it not working 100% makes me question even having the skill on my bar to be honest.

[grandm]

this might seem like an obvious, dumb statement. wont this all be very different once 1.20 hits? cross-class abilities less effective, and all the new elemental stances to take in to consideration, i wonder if it will be easier/harder to do this then

that was kinda rhetorical btw, i know these questions can't be answered till we see the new PUG in action

[Mardel]

I would like to say easier. However I do not see the Earth stance being viable regardless of the mp drain in a long fight. We won't have stygian spikes 2 to keep up mp at that point.

However I did make Earth/Fire caligae so those stances give me better damage. My Wind/Evasions kept failing. So I will have to use my Evasion/M.Evasion pair until then :|

I do think we will be sought after more though. If we lose all those 0 point attacks, "Flurry, Pummel, ect..." All other classes will lose theirs as well. Noting the attack speed buff on MNK it is safe to say we will likely get an attack speed trait. I can see PGL being the TP master this patch. Which one of the sole reasons why people seem to love LNC. Without their tp buff skills, and 0 point skills MRD/LNC will be forced to swing very slowly. Along with an accuracy nerf that is coming this patch. I predict "miss, miss, miss, miss, miss" followed by plenty of rage quitters once they realize they have to socket accuracy in their gloves now lol! I mean just look at those LNC skills that say "works after missed attack"

Luckily PGL attacks fast enough we won't have to worry about a lot of it

[Claire_Pendragon]

Honestly, I was one who was upset at the loss of AA, but the 0 costs kept me having fun at Lv30+, since it still felt like it was the way it used to be.... sorta...
but this next patch, w/o anything to do, other than watch and be bored between every 3mins, when ill have enough TP, I'm not sure how well I'll take it.
PGL might be the only class I might tolerate.

[Alise]

The fact is that this is much harder than MRD, as you need 3x healer, while MRD could easily use just 1-2 healer.
So it won't make PGL become need, unless PGL is better choice(as in DD or tank).

[slipmac]

this is just wrong. this just goes to show how messed up and unballenced all the classes are.
imo only glad should be able to tank this. i use mrd cus we all know its the best atm.
now do it with an archer! and drive my point home.

[Arcell]

this is just wrong. this just goes to show how messed up and unballenced all the classes are.
imo only glad should be able to tank this. i use mrd cus we all know its the best atm.
now do it with an archer! and drive my point home.

Except Archer isn't one of the tank classes, Pugilist is. We'll see how things go in 1.20 but it's looking like Pugilist/Monk is steering away from the Tanking aspect. Pugilist has 1 enmity ability to Marauder's 2 to Gladiator's 4. I mean sure you can cross-class some stuff but it's less effective and honestly just from the design of the class on its own it seems like more of a DD with each patch. If you want to tank you'll have to level Glad and Marauder, if it's even viable with the Earth stance.

I imagine the Earth stance is more for survivability on the side-lines from stray AoEs than full tanking. We'll see how it really goes though.

[Meatdawg]

I have a evasion build I have been messing with that currently has around 430+ evasion.

I am shooting for 500+

It is very effective vs same level and even up to 55 level mobs. Can sometimes go 5-6 hits in a row where they miss.

The problems with a evasion build are no good shit w/evasion that you can stack materia too, and if you get hit it really hurts.

I want to do a parry/evasion build, which can tank quite well when it works.

[Sylkis]

The 2 things I noticed is you were taking a lot of damage compared to our marauders, and that this was an easy run as ifrit made a lot of jumps.
I think that on a low jump run pugilist would either get owned, or simply deplete the mages mp.
Maybe after 1.20, or 1.21 this might be a bit more viable.

As a healer, I've noticed that many heals are wasted on the tank - if he has lost 1500hp and on yellow, usually you will see 2 or 3 mages cast cure3 and heal for 3000 total. That's when I thought the extra damage I take doesn't matter much as long as I don't die.
MP was never a problem for mages, but the tank's positioning and survivability on his own always mattered the most. When the tank died it was because all the mages were running away or theres only 1 mage spamming heals and dies from eruption.
Yes, we were quite lucky on the jumps and it saved me from repositioning ifrit a few times. But it was my first time as a PGL, everyone was skeptical and took it as a joke. If I ever try this again , I'll probably have a different action bar as what I used was what I had equipped ages ago (provoke I equipped last second , you can see its on cd at the beginning of the fight)

Was Defender II up?

Nope, chose not to use it

I have been soloing many of the coffers lately. So I was curious on your gear set up for this. I can only tell so much by gear looks. Did you have double meld evasion body/feet/hat?

Currently I have evasion/m.evasion feet~ str/attack hands ~ the claws~ turban (I think double m.evasion hat would be better)

Evasion does almost nothing against Ifrit, probably because his claw attack is considered an ability and not an attack so it can't be evaded. As for my gear ... it was nothing special. Alpine war jacket from DH, silver tricorne, felt kecks , felt bracers, hunting moccasins. 1 Eva IV on boots and 1 HP IV on legs thats it.