Request to unlock Hempen set styles

[Gororo]

This isn't a typical fantasy MMORPG. There's an NPC with a gigantic pig head. NPCs walk around in their underwear in every major city and nobody cares. We have Santa suits and idol outfits and Yokai Watch weapons. You can ride a flying tortoise. We allow girls to wear extremely modern fetish bunny suits. The actual racial distribution between players completely contradicts the lore. You would have to close your eyes all the time to pretend that you're in a realistic medieval fantasy kingdom; that's part of the appeal in the first place for a lot of players.



But what if I don't like tall men to wear shorts?! We're at an impasse since our (completely unreasonable) preferences about how people on different servers look are contradictory. Shorts should only be worn by Lalafell and male Miqo'te under a certain height! Or maybe we could just get on with our lives and not waste time trying to be the local fashion police?

It's particularly strange as the original point was just that locking and unlocking should be fair. How you got so caught up in defending your bizarre need to dictate what other people do is lost on me.

Yes, we do have flying tortoises and gigantic pig heads and million other things, they just aren't for one gender and fits everyone nicely (if you can even say that about pig heads), and people can run around in their underwears all I care. Just pig heads etc. are as much game breaker to me as would be male person wearing a female wedding dress.

Shorts like many shirts and other pieces are unisex in this game, and some pieces might fit lala or female miqo'te, or even roegadyn better than elezen, but they don't break the game so to say.
And even though some gears are clearly designed more for females than males or the other way around, and are still without gender locks, I wish SE would design own set for both genders on those occasions.

[Gororo]

Based on his posts, I highly doubt it.

"I don't like X, so no one should be able to do X!" is on a completely different level from, "I like X, so please let us do X!" One group wants to restrict people's enjoyment of a video game; the other group simply wants the option to do something they see as fun in the video game. They are not equivalent arguments.

I think they are equivalent if one's possible enjoyment affects others negatively, so it goes the both ways, but I'm here to defend my side of it, and not pleasing you or anyone else's desire of wearing female clothing.

[MisterLucie]

I don't like Roes, so I don't play a roe.

If you don't like male characters in skirts, don't put your male character in a skirt.

[Serilda]

Just pig heads etc. are as much game breaker to me as would be male person wearing a female wedding dress.

I'm officially lost. Pig heads (which exist in game) are as bad as males wearing dresses aimed at females (which don't exist in game), yet unisex dresses 'aimed' at females (which do exist in game) aren't ok either while unisex shorts (which do exist in game) are fine. I agree that it would be ideal to have equal attention given to designs for both genders (my posting history attests to this), but at the same time Lukha has a perfectly valid point that her cute Miqo'te boy would look good in lace. It's even more ridiculous when you consider Lalafell, since they are almost identical across the genders but still have to deal with the same bizarre gender lock randomness as everyone else.

Several other posters have made excellent points but at the end of the day, what you're arguing about isn't even the same thing that was originally being discussed. Here's a simplified timeline.

Square-Enix: We'll consider letting everyone wear more clothes!
Almost everyone: Yay!
Wildsprite: I hope this means one day I can use a male-only item too.
Me: That would only be fair if we can use the female-only equivalent, but sure.
Lukha: My character would look good in that!

Thus follows a strange debate about how wrong we are for bringing some kind of nebulous LGBT+ agenda into Eorzea when I am literally just asking for the same treatment as the person with a female character (who received no abuse or aspersions about her real world sexuality or circumstances whatsoever), and Lukha is a woman who is brave enough to admit she likes seeing her Miqo'te in attractive outfits - exactly like a significant proportion of male players of female Miqo'te, who are allowed to do so without being scorned for it. A lot of people don't like the way others dress their characters but it's ultimately their choice and not deserving of personal crusades against things that are already happening in the game anyway. Freaking out about men in gowns in FFXIV is the very definition of shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted.

I stand by my original point. If things are unlocked fairly, I'm totally ok with that and my willowy Elezen would look great in the gear. If they're not going to be unlocked fairly, I don't think it should happen. And to avoid causing unnecessary hurt to those people who do suffer from discrimination over similar issues, my real sexual orientation has absolutely nothing to do with anything so I would be grateful if people could stop insinuating that it does.

[Laerune]

I dont understand why anyone would be against giving both genders the same options when it comes to wearing outfits. If the female avatars are allowed to wear male gear, let the male avatars wear the female gear. If you dislike what someone is wearing, just ignore them, if this is about immersion, then lets not forget that we already have people tanking in swimwear, wearing the same outfits like MSQ characters or wearing Pig, Chocobo outfits. But if this is, because of some real life values (anti-LGBTQ), then maybe you need rethink on how serious you are taking this game. Just like in real life, if someones lifestyle is bothering you, you ignore them and move on.

Personaly, I prefer that SE does one of these two things:

1. They keep male gear for male players and female gear for female players.
2. They unlock both gearsets for both genders.

Giving 1 half of the playerbase access to both gearsets is the same as waving the finger towards the other. I think in general most players are open for giving both genders the same treatment. Afcourse there willl always be those that want to be snowflakes and prefer that only they get preferential treatment.

On-topic

I agree with opening up the Hempen set styles for all races.

[Gororo]

Tbh, cute, boy and a lace should never be said in the same sentence, and what is attractive to some people is eye cancer to others.
If something looks totally wrong, it normally is wrong, and I've only been against males wearing something so feminine as wedding dress, or maybe you would love to see your character wearing female southern seas swimsuit as well, but those are something that I don't want to see in my game, and wouldn't even mind if those oh so famous pig heads etc. would disappear from it.

There's many gown's that men can wear in the game, and are perfectly fine, wedding dress just isn't one of those, and never will be.
Same goes the otherway around, if there's something so wrong looking from males on female characters, my opinion would be exactly the same.

Some things just aren't meant to be.

[Naunet]

Some things just aren't meant to be.

Then don't dress your guy in a wedding dress. Case closed. Stop trying to control how other people play.

[Kaethra]

If Cloud can dress as a girl.
If Faris can dress as a guy.

Then I think we ought to be able to fight like men, and ladies, and ladies who dress like men.

I can't see the issue there.

[Matrinka]

To each his or her own. Do what is right for YOU and let others do what they want to do. It isn't like having a guy in a dress on this game is going to do a darn thing to hurt anyone.

[MisterLucie]

but those are something that I don't want to see in my game

So don't look at them. Is someone holding a frilly lace embroidered gun to your head and forcing you to intimately examine them? Why are you so fixated on this?