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    Player Kosmos992k's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghastly View Post
    Me too! They should consider loyal customers also. Not just the majority.
    So, what of all the loyal customers within that majority? Or are you somehow supposing that only those opposed are loyal customers?

    My wife plays also and has done from the start of ARR, she has been subscribed to the game continuously since then - as have I. She absolutely supports the removal of the restriction on the Hempen set styles - as do I.

    Are we not also 'loyal customers' who should be considered?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kosmos992k View Post
    So, what of all the loyal customers within that majority? Or are you somehow supposing that only those opposed are loyal customers?

    My wife plays also and has done from the start of ARR, she has been subscribed to the game continuously since then - as have I. She absolutely supports the removal of the restriction on the Hempen set styles - as do I.

    Are we not also 'loyal customers' who should be considered?
    Read again, you're stating things I never said. You're reading what you want to read to feel like a victim (as you always do) when someone has s different viewpoint than yours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghastly View Post
    Me too! They should consider loyal customers also. Not just the majority.
    Think of it from a satisfaction point of view.

    Ex. You have 600 customers. 590 want a thing. 10 don't. It's pretty obvious the Devs are going to do it for the 590.

    If the minority is always considered, somethings just won't ever be done then. Like Alexander: Creator. If they listened to the "loyal players" instead of the majority we'd still have Gordias.

    Finally, in response to Kosmos, you said that wasn't what you said and Kosmos is playing victim. But it certainly sounds like that's what you said. You said "They should consider loyal customers also. Not just the majority." That absolutely sounds like a jab at all the people supporting the unlocking. That they are not loyal customers and what to have it to have it. They don't care about the game like *true* loyal customers.

    So I ask, what does glamour have to do with loyalty? Are we going to say people who don't want glamours unlocked are better, more loyal now?

    That's what your post says..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic-Mal View Post
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    Not just the majority

    Don't the words also and not just the majority mean that they should listen to both sides? In the statement it doesn't say magic mal or anyone that wants hempen set isn't loyal. Keep that in mind
    I was speaking for myself, I'm a loyal customer (not saying you're not), I want them to also consider me, not just the majority.

    If people look for things to feel like a victim that's their problem. In the statement it doesn't say people that want hempen set are not loyal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luxpheras View Post
    Greetings, glamour enthusiasts!

    Thanks for the feedback and the discussion! We have relayed the feedback from this thread to the dev. team.

    We understand the desire to have the variances in the Hempen set unlocked across all the races, and also understand those who prefer to preserve the uniqueness of these sets.

    Since there are players who are both for and against this type of change, we'd like additional feedback to determine whether we should unlock the Hempen set varieties for all races, or if we should keep these glamours race-specific in order to retain the uniqueness. Please let us know which you would prefer, and we will pass these thoughts back to the dev. team.

    We look forward to hearing your thoughts!
    Well keeping the restriction will punish those who want more glamour option while getting rid of it won't harm those who are against it, nothing forces them to use another race top if they don't want to and keep it race related so the most benefic issue seems to be : unlock
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    Quote Originally Posted by Watachy View Post
    C'était en fait SE qui survolait Ishgard sur une liasse de billets

    Quote Originally Posted by KaivaC View Post
    People don't know how to take criticism anymore, and bad play is rewarded with with a coddling mentality. Yes, this is a casual game for the most part - that doesn't mean people need to walk on eggshells in fear of getting reported for pointing out things. This whole 'please don't say anything even slightly negative' mentality that we seem to be going towards and the devs seemingly pushing towards it is creating a disturbing trend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celef View Post
    Well keeping the restriction will punish those who want more glamour option while getting rid of it won't harm those who are against it
    It does harm the people looking for exclusivivity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canadane View Post
    It does harm the people looking for exclusivivity.
    How? Hempen sets are dirt cheap and common.

    Caring about exclusivity means that the primary concern is not how you look to yourself, but how you look to others.
    Hempen sets being as common as they are, exclusive means nothing as anyone can get them for less gill than it would take to teleport to a marketboard.

    If you want to argue exclusivity, argue for racial relic glamours, an upgrade to the starter racial gear that would be both exclusive and uncommon for example. Maybe then you would have a leg to stand on. Otherwise the argument that it hurts you makes no sense.

    On a side note, we need racial relic armors *glam only no stats* that we farm throughout the entirety of stormblood. A new piece of the set added each patch as more to do. This would of course need a way to switch it to another race upon race change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edewen View Post
    How? Hempen sets are dirt cheap and common.

    Caring about exclusivity means that the primary concern is not how you look to yourself, but how you look to others.
    Hempen sets being as common as they are, exclusive means nothing as anyone can get them for less gill than it would take to teleport to a marketboard.

    If you want to argue exclusivity, argue for racial relic glamours, an upgrade to the starter racial gear that would be both exclusive and uncommon for example. Maybe then you would have a leg to stand on. Otherwise the argument that it hurts you makes no sense.
    You may misunderstand.
    Not exclusive as in you cannot attain it, but exclusive looks to each race. We have so few racially locked gear, I count this as one of them. This is something I'd like to see stay.


    Quote Originally Posted by Celef View Post
    How ?
    You are not forced to use the others are you ?
    Not forced, no. I think you may also misunderstand the argument. By giving people the option to use the other looks, we lose out the exclusivity of the look itself.
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    Last edited by Canadane; 02-02-2017 at 06:36 AM.

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    Player Magic-Mal's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canadane View Post
    Not forced, no. I think you may also misunderstand the argument. By giving people the option to use the other looks, we lose out the exclusivity of the look itself.
    In favor of a big addition to individual uniqueness. I don't know about you, but the Miqo'te top isn't special. Yes only Miqo'tes can wear it but every Miqo'te around looks the same for the sake of racial uniqueness? Like a job/school uniform, the users tend to dislike them and want to wear other things because they all look the same or don't like their outfit(Gold Saucer)

    I'm sure most people wearing the clothes aren't thinking of uniqueness but instead are thinking "I like this shirt."

    If you want uniqueness, why not sport your unique glamour 24/7?

    Racial Uniqueness does nothing but stop people from being individually unique with their styles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canadane View Post
    It does harm the people looking for exclusivivity.
    How ?
    You are not forced to use the others are you ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Watachy View Post
    C'était en fait SE qui survolait Ishgard sur une liasse de billets

    Quote Originally Posted by KaivaC View Post
    People don't know how to take criticism anymore, and bad play is rewarded with with a coddling mentality. Yes, this is a casual game for the most part - that doesn't mean people need to walk on eggshells in fear of getting reported for pointing out things. This whole 'please don't say anything even slightly negative' mentality that we seem to be going towards and the devs seemingly pushing towards it is creating a disturbing trend.

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