Request to unlock Hempen set styles

[Naunet]

I don't mind those skirts or gowns that were pictured on last page at all, They are completely different thing than guy wearing some princess dress with tiaras.

1. It's not your place to tell people what they can and can't wear.

2. This is a video game. The characters are not real.

3. It's not your place to tell people what they can and can't wear.

[Faliandra]

OK, I do agree that wedding gowns in particular are really specific to females. I completely understand where you are coming from. But it's not something I'm prepared to be confrontational over. On the other hand you mention a mood breaker and game immersion. Tanks with a snowman head and beachwear are not breaking immersion? I'm sure you would agree that they are. I would suggest that they are far more immersion breaking than a male character wearing a traditionally female outfit since you can rationalize that the character is having gender issues and is exploring their female side.

BTW, my best man at my wedding was dressed in exactly the same traditional Scottish wedding outfit that I was wearing all the way down to the Sgian-dubh worn in the hose. Of course, *she* looked wonderful in the outfit, as did her husband (also in the same gear), my wife wore a traditional wedding gown. No one questioned the choice of my best friend to be my best 'man' despite her gender, and no one questioned her dressing in the traditionally male outfit. It wasn't immersion breaking for the guests. I guess I just feel that this is one of those things that really isn't going to benefit from vigorous debate.

Yes, you are absolutely right. I do NOT appreciate snowman heads, pig outfits and other similarly silly looking glams.
And no, a guy wearing a wedding gown is just as immersion breaking as a snowman head. Absolutely no difference to me.
Having gender issues is assumingly far from enjoyable (I can only assume) and I bet its not easy, but it has no place in this game.

Again,youre bringing up RL situations. Why? I already stated that Game and IRL are two separate matters to me.
Stating that it shouldnt have room in the game doesnt outrule it in RL. For all I care,you could let guys wear wedding gowns in a SIMS game (cos its in a modern setting and well, single player, so whatever)
But it's a mood breaker in a typical fantasy MMORPG.

Right, but the game already has multiple dresses which would work for a wedding, and they're not only wearable by males, they are often the only option for males at that particular level of content. The Void Ark gown. The Swansgrace set. The WHM/AST AF2 (AST's was specifically designed to look womanly, while the legs on the WHM set alone would make many real-world brides green with envy). We got a cute dyeable glamour miniskirt in a patch last year. Your immersion is already at breaking point if you're in denial at all of this skirt potential open to male characters, so at what point did it suddenly lurch over into unreasonable territory to insinuate that if female characters wanted to get their hands on yet another piece of relatively masculine gear, I'd expect some basic reciprocation? Nobody is forcing you to come to my server and look at me against your will. If you want things classy, maybe we should also block female Miqo'te from running around in bikinis and force everyone to dress in lore-appropriate ways at all times?

At least you're consistent in that you don't want girls to have anything either ^^;

Stating that there already IS such mood-breaking gear does not justify adding more to it. TBH, I feel like the only reason we are in this state is solely to SE being lazy to create more gender-based gear sets and not because
they want all guys to run around in dresses.
Every other game I've played so far had separate models for male and female characters.
You could tell they were the same set because of the overall style and colors, but they were more catered to the designated gender.

I'm not too fond of pure bikini sets, but as long as its girls wearing them and not guys it's not really too concerning.

1. It's not your place to tell people what they can and can't wear.

2. This is a video game. The characters are not real.

3. It's not your place to tell people what they can and can't wear.

It is just as much of our right to state our opinion as much as it is for others. Debating means you will have both opinions, pro and con.
Technically, by the same argument, its not anyone's place to come here and ask for female stuff to be unlocked for males, because SE
decided to limit it to female-only. Now if someone requests to unlock it to males, i have the same right to request to NOT do that.
Simple.

The game and characters are not real, exactly. No need to go through dangerous and complicated sex-change surgeries.
Drink a fantasia and change your character to a female if you wanna wear specific female gear.

[Gororo]

I think I have the same right to say my opinion as anyone, and if I don't want to see guys wearing princess dresses and tiaras in my game on characters that aren't real, I'm gonna point it out as all I can see is loud people wanting to remove gender lock so they could compete who is the cutest princess at Costa del Sol piers...

And as you might have noticed, I don't agree with that at all, and I'm pretty sure that I'm not alone with my opinion and most of the people who share my view might stay quiet cause they never stumble across to forums.
Otherwise, I completely agree with opening racial gear locks and would like to try mixing those around.

[Lukha]

talking about class- and race-locked skins does not equal gender-locked glams. There are no double standards

There certainly are. Our did you miss the post I was replying to, asking for the Groom's Tailcoat set to be unlocked for females?
And the game itself has massive double standards when it comes to glamour, albeit ones that make no sesnse, given that male characters can wear a lot of dresses and otherwise feminine gear already, but are inexplicably locked from equiping certain items. I can wear a full, floor-length skirt, and as a white mage one of my PvP sets is actually a ballgown, but apparently all the Weavers in Ul'Dah can't figure out how to alter a wedding dress to fit me?

And that's not even touching on the double standard of the mass of female only items that still have no male only equivalents! And one of the recent interviews made it sound like the ONE concession we've won, the male bunny suit, is being delayed to prioritize other content. Not okay, especially since we've had a couple rounds of fresh gear models since then.

make me look like the idiot because I am opposed to your wish about wearing wedding gowns, and you obviously cant handle it.

I'd never call names, as it's classless and not conducive to rational discussion, but, well...

It's really interesting how the LGBT community

People always jump to this and I'm not sure why. I mean, is it really so hard to believe that I, as an almost totally straight (I mean, if Merlwyb wanted a go, I'd at least consider it...) female, just want to dress my catboy in cute outfits without running into arbitrary restrictions and model differences? I wonder what assumptions youmake about people who dress their catgirls or Au Ra in cute clothes are LGBT.

I mean, I'm sure some of the people who want more equal glamour options ARE, but try to remember why it's bad to ASSuME things in the future.

so damn entitled

I'll have to come back to this point later, I'm laughing too hard to type...

PS: Remove.... [snip]

So your solution is to punish the group with more, and bring them down, rather than actually fix the problem and bring everyone UP to the same level? I mean, it's a tactic that has only made things worse when applied in real world politics, but I guess it's vaguely possible it could have a different result here?

Also, you seem confused, because the post I replied to was asking for the male-locked wedding items to be unlocked for females; no one ever mentioned the Best Man set (though in all fairness, the Bridesmaid set ought to be unlocked as well, especially since we've already had a male NPC wear it!).

way more acceptable on woman than a dress on guys.

In the real world, you would be correct. In Eorzea, males regularly dress in ways we would consider incredibly feminine, and no one batts an eye. Just look at some of the artifact gear. The progenitor of the White Mages was A MALE Padjal, and yet our job-specific gear is some of the most fabulously girly in the game. Your argument, therfore, fails to hold water.

Don't make me get my collection of screenshots with my character dressed like a woman. Despite what you may think, it's not actually a mode of glamour I normally enjoy, so neither of us will enjoy the experience. I'll do it if I have to, though.

[Naunet]

I think I have the same right to say my opinion as anyone, and if I don't want to see guys wearing princess dresses and tiaras in my game on characters that aren't real, I'm gonna point it out

What other people dress their characters with is none of your business. Don't want your guy character to wear a dress? Put him in pants. Problem over. Other players have zero obligation to conform to your "needs".

[Faliandra]

lots of quotes taken out of context and full of misinterpretation

If I wanted to, I could also go through the effort to search for single quotes and compose them into a single post
and refer to each quote with a matching answer. But seeing how you ALSO are obviously one of those people
who specifically look into tearing my arguments apart without looking at them as a WHOLE and in regards to what people
have said BEFORE, its really not worth my time and effort.

the

"PS: Remove......[snip]"

quote just proved that perfectly.
I am against unlocking the gown for males. When i said that I was told tailcoat was already unlocked for men (I assumed he meant the best man's attire by that,because obviously, the actual groom's attire isnt unlocked)
Hence my reply why I wouldnt care if it was removed. I said "remove it for all I care". It doesnt actually mean that I DEMAND it to be removed, just that I wouldnt care if it was.
But sure, keep putting words into my mouth, break them apart from context to bend my words so you can use them against me.

and LOL at trying to justify unlocking Bridesmaid dress for males because HILDIBRAND wore it in a CUTSCENE which was STORY-related and for the LOLs.

You read into my lines however you can make it fit to make me look like im full of bigotry and double standards when I'm not.
The hypocrisy is real. All I see here is a VERY vocal bitter minority....

Well, I'll actually get to the game playing now So you'll get some break from my replies. o/

[Gororo]

What other people dress their characters with is none of your business. Don't want your guy character to wear a dress? Put him in pants. Problem over. Other players have zero obligation to conform to your "needs".

So I need to conform to your need of playing a princess when I don't want to see something like that? I think not, and my character does wear pants, or shorts depending on class.

[Serilda]

But it's a mood breaker in a typical fantasy MMORPG.

This isn't a typical fantasy MMORPG. There's an NPC with a gigantic pig head. NPCs walk around in their underwear in every major city and nobody cares. We have Santa suits and idol outfits and Yokai Watch weapons. You can ride a flying tortoise. We allow girls to wear extremely modern fetish bunny suits. The actual racial distribution between players completely contradicts the lore. You would have to close your eyes all the time to pretend that you're in a realistic medieval fantasy kingdom; that's part of the appeal in the first place for a lot of players.

So I need to conform to your need of playing a princess when I don't want to see something like that? I think not, and my character does wear pants, or shorts depending on class.

But what if I don't like tall men to wear shorts?! We're at an impasse since our (completely unreasonable) preferences about how people on different servers look are contradictory. Shorts should only be worn by Lalafell and male Miqo'te under a certain height! Or maybe we could just get on with our lives and not waste time trying to be the local fashion police?

It's particularly strange as the original point was just that locking and unlocking should be fair. How you got so caught up in defending your bizarre need to dictate what other people do is lost on me.

[Knahli]

An overwhelming majority of PvPers hate the chat restriction and want it gone, but all we get is ignored for months and unwanted/not entirely helpful "adjustments"? Seriously, double standard much?

I'm not gonna derail the thread. This is good news anyways, but can we please have Yoshida's statement on that as he previously said he would? We're a bit overdue for a serious answer, and I'd like to think a poorly received change to an essential gameplay element perhaps ranks higher than glamour unlocking.

That aside, Au Ra/Elezen top on Miqo'te (Yes, please.)

Yoshi said he plans to address this personally in an upcoming letter and the addition of extra chat command was a helpful amendment until then.

What other people dress their characters with is none of your business. Don't want your guy character to wear a dress? Put him in pants. Problem over. Other players have zero obligation to conform to your "needs".

I don't understand why you're going off on a tangent. You're right, this IS a game. So if something spoils the mood/aesthetic for anyone else then they are well within their right to use that as their reason for not supporting an idea. Unless there was an earlier post that wasn't quoted, then I have seen nothing thus far that even fringed upon the idea that Gororo was pressing his "needs" or impressions on anyone else like it was inherently more important. He could be a crusader for free expression of this sort of thing irl but it doesn't mean he automatically has to want to see it in-game if it doesn't suit his preferences. It feels like lines are being crossed between what is ethical in the real world and what is ethical in a game. People don't have to like something to be tolerant of it and I see no reason why something which spoils the fun/mood of person A should be given any less credibility than something which enhances the fun/mood of person B.

[Naunet]

He could be a crusader for free expression of this sort of thing irl

Based on his posts, I highly doubt it.

Back on topic, this kind of debate hinges on a really faulty argument though. "I don't like X, so no one should be able to do X!" is on a completely different level from, "I like X, so please let us do X!" One group wants to restrict people's enjoyment of a video game; the other group simply wants the option to do something they see as fun in the video game. They are not equivalent arguments.