Request to unlock Hempen set styles

[Lukha]

really happy to see this! hope the update for it is soon, though I'm still wanting them to unlock the tailcoat(eternal bond groom) sets

Me too! I've been waiting forever to wear that beautiful wedding gown, but it's still locked to female-only for some reason DX. I hope SE fixes it soon.

(I'm not even joking, I'd wear that dress if I could, it's stunning. And my male Miqo'te would probably look cuter in it than his femroe wife did, anyway.)

[Faliandra]

Me too! I've been waiting forever to wear that beautiful wedding gown, but it's still locked to female-only for some reason DX. I hope SE fixes it soon.

(I'm not even joking, I'd wear that dress if I could, it's stunning. And my male Miqo'te would probably look cuter in it than his femroe wife did, anyway.)

sorry, but no. If you wanna wear a dress designed for females, play a female char. This is not a dragqueen game.

[Serilda]

sorry, but no. If you wanna wear a dress designed for females, play a female char. This is not a dragqueen game.

Then the girls should not have the tailcoat. Well, that was a very short debate.

(At least we have the fierceness of the Void Ark healing set to fall back on - I look as though I'm about to walk right up the aisle whenever I put that on ;P)

Edit: Incidentally, you do realise the irony of posting that kind of remark in a thread about wearing another race's underwear when you have previously said this? Careful, your double standards are showing!

[Lukha]

talking about class- and race-locked skins does not equal gender-locked glams. There are no double standards

There certainly are. Our did you miss the post I was replying to, asking for the Groom's Tailcoat set to be unlocked for females?
And the game itself has massive double standards when it comes to glamour, albeit ones that make no sesnse, given that male characters can wear a lot of dresses and otherwise feminine gear already, but are inexplicably locked from equiping certain items. I can wear a full, floor-length skirt, and as a white mage one of my PvP sets is actually a ballgown, but apparently all the Weavers in Ul'Dah can't figure out how to alter a wedding dress to fit me?

And that's not even touching on the double standard of the mass of female only items that still have no male only equivalents! And one of the recent interviews made it sound like the ONE concession we've won, the male bunny suit, is being delayed to prioritize other content. Not okay, especially since we've had a couple rounds of fresh gear models since then.

make me look like the idiot because I am opposed to your wish about wearing wedding gowns, and you obviously cant handle it.

I'd never call names, as it's classless and not conducive to rational discussion, but, well...

It's really interesting how the LGBT community

People always jump to this and I'm not sure why. I mean, is it really so hard to believe that I, as an almost totally straight (I mean, if Merlwyb wanted a go, I'd at least consider it...) female, just want to dress my catboy in cute outfits without running into arbitrary restrictions and model differences? I wonder what assumptions youmake about people who dress their catgirls or Au Ra in cute clothes are LGBT.

I mean, I'm sure some of the people who want more equal glamour options ARE, but try to remember why it's bad to ASSuME things in the future.

so damn entitled

I'll have to come back to this point later, I'm laughing too hard to type...

PS: Remove.... [snip]

So your solution is to punish the group with more, and bring them down, rather than actually fix the problem and bring everyone UP to the same level? I mean, it's a tactic that has only made things worse when applied in real world politics, but I guess it's vaguely possible it could have a different result here?

Also, you seem confused, because the post I replied to was asking for the male-locked wedding items to be unlocked for females; no one ever mentioned the Best Man set (though in all fairness, the Bridesmaid set ought to be unlocked as well, especially since we've already had a male NPC wear it!).

way more acceptable on woman than a dress on guys.

In the real world, you would be correct. In Eorzea, males regularly dress in ways we would consider incredibly feminine, and no one batts an eye. Just look at some of the artifact gear. The progenitor of the White Mages was A MALE Padjal, and yet our job-specific gear is some of the most fabulously girly in the game. Your argument, therfore, fails to hold water.

Don't make me get my collection of screenshots with my character dressed like a woman. Despite what you may think, it's not actually a mode of glamour I normally enjoy, so neither of us will enjoy the experience. I'll do it if I have to, though.

[Faliandra]

lots of quotes taken out of context and full of misinterpretation

If I wanted to, I could also go through the effort to search for single quotes and compose them into a single post
and refer to each quote with a matching answer. But seeing how you ALSO are obviously one of those people
who specifically look into tearing my arguments apart without looking at them as a WHOLE and in regards to what people
have said BEFORE, its really not worth my time and effort.

the

"PS: Remove......[snip]"

quote just proved that perfectly.
I am against unlocking the gown for males. When i said that I was told tailcoat was already unlocked for men (I assumed he meant the best man's attire by that,because obviously, the actual groom's attire isnt unlocked)
Hence my reply why I wouldnt care if it was removed. I said "remove it for all I care". It doesnt actually mean that I DEMAND it to be removed, just that I wouldnt care if it was.
But sure, keep putting words into my mouth, break them apart from context to bend my words so you can use them against me.

and LOL at trying to justify unlocking Bridesmaid dress for males because HILDIBRAND wore it in a CUTSCENE which was STORY-related and for the LOLs.

You read into my lines however you can make it fit to make me look like im full of bigotry and double standards when I'm not.
The hypocrisy is real. All I see here is a VERY vocal bitter minority....

Well, I'll actually get to the game playing now So you'll get some break from my replies. o/

[Gororo]

Ehh, funny how someone really mentions that his/her/whatever's sexual orientation has nothing to do with the urge of wearing female wedding dress as a male when it's all about that.

And before you start some "hate speech", just so you know I've personally been working a lot in RL with LGBT community, and have loads of friends from there, and never met any guy who would like to wear dresses.
Yes, sometimes they make fun by wearing high heels and acting overly feminine way, ofc it has nothing to do with this game, but personally I don't want to see male characters running around with female dresses and turning this game into a "drag race"

And it doesn't have anything to do with if someone is gay or not, it's just something I don't wanna see, and I bet there's a lot of people like me out there, and because of that SE needs to listen to me and likeminded people who are against unlocking gender locks.

But I totally agree with unlocking racial gears, and would like to mix them up.

[Serilda]

Ehh, funny how someone really mentions that his/her/whatever's sexual orientation has nothing to do with the urge of wearing female wedding dress as a male when it's all about that.

It's really not. But you know, maybe the reason that your 'LGBT friends' (or even your straight friends, because clothes and sexuality aren't the exact same thing!) don't tell you if they want to wear dresses because you are so vocal about how other people need to hold back on harmless activities in order to avoid upsetting you. But this issue has nothing to do with sexual orientation or real-life gender. Seriously. You're reading into it all on your own.

[Kosmos992k]

It's really not. But you know, maybe the reason that your 'LGBT friends' (or even your straight friends, because clothes and sexuality aren't the exact same thing!) don't tell you if they want to wear dresses because you are so vocal about how other people need to hold back on harmless activities in order to avoid upsetting you. But this issue has nothing to do with sexual orientation or real-life gender. Seriously. You're reading into it all on your own.

I'm hereby claiming the rights to the following phrase specifically when printed on posters, t-shirts and bumper stickers;

Real men wear skirts too!

[Faliandra]

OK, I do agree that wedding gowns in particular are really specific to females. I completely understand where you are coming from. But it's not something I'm prepared to be confrontational over. On the other hand you mention a mood breaker and game immersion. Tanks with a snowman head and beachwear are not breaking immersion? I'm sure you would agree that they are. I would suggest that they are far more immersion breaking than a male character wearing a traditionally female outfit since you can rationalize that the character is having gender issues and is exploring their female side.

BTW, my best man at my wedding was dressed in exactly the same traditional Scottish wedding outfit that I was wearing all the way down to the Sgian-dubh worn in the hose. Of course, *she* looked wonderful in the outfit, as did her husband (also in the same gear), my wife wore a traditional wedding gown. No one questioned the choice of my best friend to be my best 'man' despite her gender, and no one questioned her dressing in the traditionally male outfit. It wasn't immersion breaking for the guests. I guess I just feel that this is one of those things that really isn't going to benefit from vigorous debate.

Yes, you are absolutely right. I do NOT appreciate snowman heads, pig outfits and other similarly silly looking glams.
And no, a guy wearing a wedding gown is just as immersion breaking as a snowman head. Absolutely no difference to me.
Having gender issues is assumingly far from enjoyable (I can only assume) and I bet its not easy, but it has no place in this game.

Again,youre bringing up RL situations. Why? I already stated that Game and IRL are two separate matters to me.
Stating that it shouldnt have room in the game doesnt outrule it in RL. For all I care,you could let guys wear wedding gowns in a SIMS game (cos its in a modern setting and well, single player, so whatever)
But it's a mood breaker in a typical fantasy MMORPG.

Right, but the game already has multiple dresses which would work for a wedding, and they're not only wearable by males, they are often the only option for males at that particular level of content. The Void Ark gown. The Swansgrace set. The WHM/AST AF2 (AST's was specifically designed to look womanly, while the legs on the WHM set alone would make many real-world brides green with envy). We got a cute dyeable glamour miniskirt in a patch last year. Your immersion is already at breaking point if you're in denial at all of this skirt potential open to male characters, so at what point did it suddenly lurch over into unreasonable territory to insinuate that if female characters wanted to get their hands on yet another piece of relatively masculine gear, I'd expect some basic reciprocation? Nobody is forcing you to come to my server and look at me against your will. If you want things classy, maybe we should also block female Miqo'te from running around in bikinis and force everyone to dress in lore-appropriate ways at all times?

At least you're consistent in that you don't want girls to have anything either ^^;

Stating that there already IS such mood-breaking gear does not justify adding more to it. TBH, I feel like the only reason we are in this state is solely to SE being lazy to create more gender-based gear sets and not because
they want all guys to run around in dresses.
Every other game I've played so far had separate models for male and female characters.
You could tell they were the same set because of the overall style and colors, but they were more catered to the designated gender.

I'm not too fond of pure bikini sets, but as long as its girls wearing them and not guys it's not really too concerning.

1. It's not your place to tell people what they can and can't wear.

2. This is a video game. The characters are not real.

3. It's not your place to tell people what they can and can't wear.

It is just as much of our right to state our opinion as much as it is for others. Debating means you will have both opinions, pro and con.
Technically, by the same argument, its not anyone's place to come here and ask for female stuff to be unlocked for males, because SE
decided to limit it to female-only. Now if someone requests to unlock it to males, i have the same right to request to NOT do that.
Simple.

The game and characters are not real, exactly. No need to go through dangerous and complicated sex-change surgeries.
Drink a fantasia and change your character to a female if you wanna wear specific female gear.

[Serilda]

The question is: why does it have to be a male bunny outfit? When they released that bunny set,couldnt they have just added some male-only set to go
with it that isnt necessarily bunny-related? Just so that both genders get equal treatments by getting the same amounts of full sets
while keeping the gear gender-specific (aka female set is more girlish, male set is more manly).

We've debated this to death but most people would have been perfectly ok with a more 'masculine' set like an equivalently sexy male-only bear costume or male-only puppy suit. Whatever. I would be fine with whatever they came up with so long as it was intended to be playful and sexy like the bunny suits are for girls. Some people specifically wanted the ears for Easter-themed roleplay or other lighthearted fun and as rabbit ears are fundamentally nothing to do with gender (male rabbits do, in fact, have ears) it is bizarre that these items would have been locked even if the problem of the fishnets and bustier required further debate. However, the core problem is we got neither and girls got (two) bunny suits.

The next step of the problem is that if S-E spent two years designing a male-only bear suit and released it for us, there would be endless requests for it to be unlocked for female characters anyway (like, for example, the tailcoat request). So it's just easier to ask them to stop annoying half the audience each time and give everyone everything, especially since the current solution is always to annoy the same half of that audience each time instead of spreading the misery around. Continuing on with my example, given that there is close to zero effort involved in making the bunny ears (and bear/puppy/whatever ears) available to both genders since we all have similar heads, why not just do it?

The same goes for the caster/ranged GARO headpieces. The actual gendered GARO hats are unlocked for everyone. Why are butterflies girl-only and eyepatches boy-only? It makes no sense. I accept that the coats and skirts are locked as they are trying to replicate a certain look there, but the hats? It's an unnecessary reduction of potential fun.

We can already make perfectly incredibly fetishised glamours out of the things we have, so most arguments based on narrow cultural views carried over from the real world inherently make no sense.

At the end of the day, I'm perfectly happy with women having the tailcoat but if it comes at the cost of my character having even less stuff in comparison, I'm going to speak out against it. It's not fair.