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    The way I understood Yoshi-P's answer, is that the hempen set is actually still tagged as some sort of underwear (sort of a relic from 1.0, when it was the default underwear). It's possible that this tag is what causes the item to have a different model when worn by different races, even the ones that got introduced with 2.0 and 3.0.
    A way to get around this (and probably a work-intensive way), is to recreate each hempen style as a separate item, and modeling it to each race's model.

    As for "get better translators", that notion is kinda silly, considering Koji was doing the translating during the live letter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nezerius View Post
    The way I understood Yoshi-P's answer, is that the hempen set is actually still tagged as some sort of underwear (sort of a relic from 1.0, when it was the default underwear). It's possible that this tag is what causes the item to have a different model when worn by different races, even the ones that got introduced with 2.0 and 3.0.
    A way to get around this (and probably a work-intensive way), is to recreate each hempen style as a separate item, and modeling it to each race's model.
    I think the game is on a completely different engine so I doubt any bugs from 1.0 would still persist. And it would be strange to create a special underwear tag or whatever for this one piece of gear to work differently when there's no benefit to it. I'm pretty sure they just made it regular gear when they eliminated the underwear slot.

    They would have to recreate the gear for each race either way. It's one item that changes appearance depending on who wears it, you would have to add additional items for each style to be separated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fawkes View Post
    I think the game is on a completely different engine so I doubt any bugs from 1.0 would still persist. And it would be strange to create a special underwear tag or whatever for this one piece of gear to work differently when there's no benefit to it. I'm pretty sure they just made it regular gear when they eliminated the underwear slot.

    They would have to recreate the gear for each race either way. It's one item that changes appearance depending on who wears it, you would have to add additional items for each style to be separated.
    There's clearly something different about the hempen gear, though. What other gear changes look based on race, while only being one single item? (as in, there's only one actual hempen camise item that can be worn by all races)
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    I would pay money to get the other types of hempen sets for my character. some are better then others. please SE let us have these! pretty please <3
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nezerius View Post
    There's clearly something different about the hempen gear, though. What other gear changes look based on race, while only being one single item? (as in, there's only one actual hempen camise item that can be worn by all races)
    Well plenty of hats have ear pockets on miqote, or that weird evenstar tail sheath. There's gear that looks different depending on if a male or female equips it too, like how WHM AF pants become a panty-skirt. Granted the hempen gear is probably the most different looks on a single piece, but I don't think that means it's made differently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fawkes View Post
    Well plenty of hats have ear pockets on miqote, or that weird evenstar tail sheath. There's gear that looks different depending on if a male or female equips it too, like how WHM AF pants become a panty-skirt. Granted the hempen gear is probably the most different looks on a single piece, but I don't think that means it's made differently.
    The hats are still the same model, with a slight modification for the ears, same goes for the evenstar chest and Miqo'te/Au Ra. The only thing that gets close to the hempen set is the items like the WHM AF pants that you mentioned, but even those are just looking at whether the character is male or female.

    The hempen set uses entirely different models based on which race, so it's 6 different models on a single item. I think if it were something simple, they'd also be able to use this for multiple glamours on the same piece of gear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nezerius View Post
    The hats are still the same model, with a slight modification for the ears, same goes for the evenstar chest and Miqo'te/Au Ra. The only thing that gets close to the hempen set is the items like the WHM AF pants that you mentioned, but even those are just looking at whether the character is male or female.

    The hempen set uses entirely different models based on which race, so it's 6 different models on a single item. I think if it were something simple, they'd also be able to use this for multiple glamours on the same piece of gear.
    I wouldn't be surprised if all gear actually worked this way under the hood...

    Just because the model is similar across all races doesn't mean it's the exact same model being used by the game engine.
    Tweaked to better fit each specific race/gender.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nezerius View Post
    There's clearly something different about the hempen gear, though. What other gear changes look based on race, while only being one single item? (as in, there's only one actual hempen camise item that can be worn by all races)
    All gear has separate models for each race, since the races have different body shapes (most noticeably in the case of lalafel, male Roegadyn, and male Au Ra, but there are slight differences in all of them). In most cases, those models all share the same design, only changing shape to match the character model, but they can have more differences than that, like the ear pockets on certain hats and hoods for Miqo'te and Elezen. Significant design differences are more common between genders than between races, but work the same way.

    (What I don't know is why there's a separate Hempen Camise and Hempen Undershirt. They're already changing style by which race equips it, why have different items per gender rather than changing by which gender equips it?)
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    Last edited by Niwashi; 02-21-2017 at 02:31 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niwashi View Post
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    Actually you're wrong about a few things

    1. The only type of gear that's genderless is ilevel gear from npcs or dungeons
    2. Almost all glamour gear is separated by gender
    3. The reason butt slider wouldn't work on any of the glamour options is because of the first point. The only gear that adapts to sliders are the race and gender ones like hempen (they know both requirements to be true for sliders to adapt). That would mean they would have to do that for all leg gear/glamour in the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghastly View Post
    Actually you're wrong about a few things

    1. The only type of gear that's genderless is ilevel gear from npcs or dungeons
    2. Almost all glamour gear is separated by gender
    3. The reason butt slider wouldn't work on any of the glamour options is because of the first point. The only gear that adapts to sliders are the race and gender ones like hempen (they know both requirements to be true for sliders to adapt). That would mean they would have to do that for all leg gear/glamour in the game.
    And how does any of that relate to what I said, let alone make it wrong? I pointed out myself that gear is separated by gender (including that those differences are frequently more significant than the differences between races). And I never mentioned anything about sliders.

    In most cases, the gear design shown on your character is just determined by your character's race, clan, and gender. You're right that it's in only a few cases that it's determined by your race, clan, gender, and all the body shape sliders you set in character configuration. But race is still in there either way. You're not going to get the same shape to your gear with a lalafell that you'll get as a roegadyn.
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