Please fix or remove housing!

[OliviaJ]

this thread tastes really salty

Incredibly salty. Well here's one for you guys that think removing housing is a valid fix. Transfer servers! "Oh but then I can't play with my friends". Boohoo. Seriously create an alt or something. The ones complaining are on the overpopulated servers. Housing is fine on all of the other worlds.

[Evol]

this thread tastes really salty

Perhaps to somebody who isn't focusing on the topic of the thread, but rather taking a stance of mental superiority - feeling as though by making a salty comment such as that, they've done something impressive.

The topic isn't going to appear friendly or nice to anyone who is one who:

A. Likes it when they're the only ones to have something.
B. Has sold a house, illegally mind you.
C. Has bought a house illegally.
D. Isn't experiencing the same problem.

If it doesn't apply, let it fly. That's the mature way to go about it; not insulting or changing focus.

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Incredibly salty. Well here's one for you guys that think removing housing is a valid fix. Transfer servers! "Oh but then I can't play with my friends". Boohoo. Seriously create an alt or something. The ones complaining are on the overpopulated servers. Housing is fine on all of the other worlds.

Removing housing is a valid fix, even if it is one that not even I want. How about putting a lower cap on world population so that there's enough plots for everyone. Maybe instancing the plots on a single ward could do it?

I started this thread so that others who share in my view could also say something. So that others who have constructive criticism to provide regarding the topic would have a proper channel to output to.

I invite you to read the above text too. Of course you don't see a problem with housing if you happen to be on a world where housing isn't a problem - or have one yourself - or don't care at all about it and only care about trolling valid posts. That doesn't change the fact that the issue exists, and that people who do care about said issue(s) are trying to do something about it in whatever way they can - for instance, through awareness.

Boohoo? Create an alt or something? You are awfully salty about this thread. Why are you even posting here? Please be constructive or do not post anything at all.

Thanks.

[amorales559]

Hey Evol!
I don't mean to sound douchy but I recently got a house on Sargatanas. Small but still a house, I'm fairly new, about two months old and definitely could not afford the outrageous party finder demands of 12mil for homes.
It took me about four days to get one after starting. I just logged in every couple hours during the afternoon and finally found one in the Lavender Beds. I saw three small Goblet homes spawn as well, as well as two mediums.

You can do it! Goodluck!

[Evol]

Hey Evol! I don't mean to sound douchy but I recently got a house on Sargatanas. Small but still a house, I'm fairly new, about two months old and definitely could not afford the outrageous party finder demands of 12mil for homes.
It took me about four days to get one after starting. I just logged in every couple hours and finally found one in the mist. I saw three small goblit homes spawn as well, as well as two mediums.

Hi Hyro

You don't sound like a douche at all dont worry. I welcome the feedback!

Yea there are opportunities to get houses, I don't mean to say that there are never any opportunities. Those opportunities are slim though, and hard to come by. It solves an issue for 1 out of thousands.

I see a lot of FCs, many without houses even though they are rank 6, and have the gil for one. I feel that the content that comes with an FC house far outweighs the content that comes for a player who owns one personally - since you can have a private chamber or an apartment.

Joining another FC doesn't solve that issue, because 9/10 the features are locked to players who already established themselves - or have control - within said FC.

I got very tired of teleporting to every main city, checking both tabs of each ward, hour after hour, just to not see any plots available. I've done this for far longer than just a couple days. Though I admit not so much recently.

I've finally given up and started flipping money to save for a medium - for when they add plots in Stormblood out in Ivalice - though as soon as I did; Someone in my FC left the server to play with a friend they new in real life on another server - and their house became available. Another was gonna just simply give his up to us and was even waiting for us to get the gil ready to repurchase it after he destroyed it, but decided to keep it or donate it elsewhere - which is totally fine.

A friend of mine told me they managed to get a plot just yesterday, but then again in the last few days there has been a lot of server transferring going on. I'll have to keep my eyes open as I could get lucky :P I'll probably be waiting till Stormblood, though.

And I even plan to be up for the expansion, after I purchase my physical CE, and will race on my ninja for the first medium or large plaque I see.... but as you may know the struggle is reals! I just want to see this system get tweaked and tuned so that its fair and fun for everyone - including those who didn't get lucky enough to find an open plot.

We all have the same CHANCE, when the plots are released...and the ones that get it certainly wont be disappointed. But I care about everybody. I want us all to have fun, whether your idea of fun is running an FC, raiding, crafting, gathering, gardening, or even decorating.

[Masekase_Hurricane]

Please do not go into stormblood, adding yet more wards where the exact same thing will happen. And please do not open stormblood allowing existing plot holders to transfer and get first dibs on new plots - that is, if you do happen to disregard the millions of your paying subscribers requesting that you fix this.

I don't understand your thinking here, you go on about it not being fair locking people out of features yet you think it is fair removing the opportunity of FC's getting a larger house. This still gives other players the opportunity to claim a house from the older wards.

Now if we are going for unfair suggestions then I suggest that people who have a small house should get first dibs on a medium or large house to upgrade, as why should you be able to go straight for a medium/large.

Yes housing is a problem but on Ragnarok we are a decent sized server and I have no trouble finding houses. This week alone I have found four houses on the aertherites for friends, start checking them when servers are quiet for me they always come available between 11pm and 11am. Hell I managed to get my personal house and FC house in the space of a day through reclamation.

[Evol]

I don't understand your thinking here, you go on about it not being fair locking people out of features yet you think it is fair removing the opportunity of FC's getting a larger house. This still gives other players the opportunity to claim a house from the older wards.

Now if we are going for unfair suggestions then I suggest that people who have a small house should get first dibs on a medium or large house to upgrade, as why should you be able to go straight for a medium/large.

Yes housing is a problem but on Ragnarok we are a decent sized server and I have no trouble finding houses. This week alone I have found four houses on the aertherites for friends, start checking them when servers are quiet for me they always come available between 11pm and 11am. Hell I managed to get my personal house and FC house in the space of a day through reclamation.

Its your thinking I don't understand. Why should an FC or an Individual who has had a plot all this time, get first dibs on the new plots? Why should they? How is that fair at all? Nothing should be held for said entities they should have the same fair chance as everyone to get one. That's my thinking and I don't see anything wrong with it. You are actually proposing that locking everyone else out of a fair chance at the new plots, until after those who already have a plot decide which plot they want - is not locking others from features? You are contradicting your argument against me with your own statement.

Why should I be able to go straight to a medium or large? I can afford the in-game price, just like all the people in game who went straight to a medium or large. The issue is simply that there aren't enough plots for everyone. People don't buy a small on Sarg to eventually upgrade to a medium. They buy it because that's all that's available. I checked just yesterday. Several of my friends check for me each and every day. Ragnarok is Ragnarok, I live on Sarg. Just because it isnt a problem for you or your FC, doesn't mean it isnt an issue here on Sarg, and elsewhere.

I welcome your feedback, but I have already responded to the point regarding low-pop servers and housing being available to them. Why should I pay $20 to go to another server just to be able to buy a house for my FC? Why should 20 active people in my FC abandon their server? Why should we have to pay money when we are already paying a sub? When you are low on gil do you go to pvp-gil.com and buy some? When you bought your house did you illegally buy it from a PC in-game?

Your way of thinking IMHO is inherently wrong. Still leaves the other players an opportunity to get a house from the old wards? Why should everyone else be 'left an opportunity'? Why should you get first dibs when you already have a house? The only bit of your thinking that I do agree with, is that FCs are definitely more important - with regard to housing - than individual players. I can't stand seeing <pure> on 5 plots in a row. I was told that this could simply be several members of the same FC all wanting plots neighboring their FC. Really? So several FCs lose a spot so individuals can neighbor their feature packed FC house? How is that right?

While you're so interested in getting content held specially for you, while you're so convinced that you and yours are deserving of special treatment, you are doing nothing but proving the greed of players - and it's something that only SE can fix. This is the purpose of this thread, and I am so glad you are helping me to prove my point.

[Masekase_Hurricane]

Its your thinking I don't understand. Why should an FC or an Individual who has had a plot all this time, get first dibs on the new plots? Why should they? How is that fair at all? Nothing should be held for said entities they should have the same fair chance as everyone to get one. That's my thinking and I don't see anything wrong with it. You are actually proposing that locking everyone else out of a fair chance at the new plots, until after those who already have a plot decide which plot they want - is not locking others from features? You are contradicting your argument against me
with your own statement.

Yes exactly my idea sounds as stupid as yours

Why should I be able to go straight to a medium or large? I can afford the in-game price, just like all the people in game who went straight to a medium or large. The issue is simply that there aren't enough plots for everyone. People don't buy a small on Sarg to eventually upgrade to a medium. They buy it because that's all that's available. I checked just yesterday. Several of my friends check for me each and every day. Ragnarok is Ragnarok, I live on Sarg. Just because it isnt a problem for you or your FC, doesn't mean it isnt an issue here on Sarg, and elsewhere.

A lot of people have enough for a medium/large, I agree some had no choice, but others like myself bought a small on the condition that we would save and upgrade later. Some people from the start did the exact same thing due to the fact SE promised us a feature for upgrading/transfer shortly after housing was released. Even if they add more houses there will never be enough medium/large for every player.

I welcome your feedback, but I have already responded to the point regarding low-pop servers and housing being available to them. Why should I pay $20 to go to another server just to be able to buy a house for my FC? Why should 20 active people in my FC abandon their server? Why should we have to pay money when we are already paying a sub? When you are low on gil do you go to pvp-gil.com and buy some? When you bought your house did you illegally buy it from a PC in-game?

Houses can be found easily and looking on lodestone sargantanas looks like a smaller server still. Also it felt a smaller server when I was on it too. I also know getting a house wasnt that bad on Sargantanas I camped the aetherite on there too and helped my FC get a house. BTW we also purchased a small and later upgraded to a large.

Your way of thinking IMHO is inherently wrong. Still leaves the other players an opportunity to get a house from the old wards? Why should everyone else be 'left an opportunity'? Why should you get first dibs when you already have a house? The only bit of your thinking that I do agree with, is that FCs are definitely more important - with regard to housing - than individual players. I can't stand seeing <pure> on 5 plots in a row. I was told that this could simply be several members of the same FC all wanting plots neighboring their FC. Really? So several FCs lose a spot so individuals can neighbor their feature packed FC house? How is that right?

So people who had no choice to get a small should have no choice to get a bigger house, cause you was too lazy to camp the aetherites. Yes I agree it sucks to do it, but it doesn't make you any more entitled. Also as it stands I will be creating another FC with alts for when the expansion gets realised, this way I have a larger chance of getting a medium/large FC house.

While you're so interested in getting content held specially for you, while you're so convinced that you and yours are deserving of special treatment, you are doing nothing but proving the greed of players - and it's something that only SE can fix. This is the purpose of this thread, and I am so glad you are helping me to prove my point.

Not sure how this is relevant. I can only see you asking for special treatment in having a houses gifted to you cause you don't have one. Yes the vast majority should be able to get a small at the very least.

No solution that involves nerfing, locking people out or forcing transfers is a fix.

[dspguy]

Seems like SE's solution would be one house per account. Or maybe one per account per server. In case there really are that many people hoarding plots.

[Evol]

Seems like SE's solution would be one house per account. Or maybe one per account per server. In case there really are that many people hoarding plots.

I agree, though I see a couple major issues here:

1. RMT - As long as something is finite, there will always be someone willing to extort. Nobody here knows just how many accounts an RMT force will use, but we have an idea. There's no doubt in my mind that 1 person with 10 accounts, would purchase 10 houses just to be able to sell them on pvp-gil.com. In fact, SE is supposedly going to be opening plots soon where the plots were being held and inactive, and where purchase was actually illegal.

2. Non-RMT - We all know there are people extorting in-game that don't even do it for RMT. They just do it to extort in game for massive amounts of gil, or do it to hold plots for their buddies and their friends.

As long as its possible for someone to be left out, regardless of anything - it's not kosher. They need to implement a system that's fair for the majority, not the few. If a group of players wants to start an FC, they should be able to and be able to have full access to all features. No FC should be left without a plot while an individual player has more than 3 of them.Nobody should be forced to join an overpopulated FC. Nobody should be forced to leave their server. I still feel housing plots should be FC only until they can find a way for every player to have one.

[Niraves]

I own three houses between this character and my two alts, and Hyperion isn't exactly a low population server. You can find a house to buy, if you're willing to put in the effort to look for one. Its not even hard, you just browse through the residential districts from the main city aetheryte and look for plots for sale.