How about a token system for ranked Feast?

[Nirokun]

Yeah, about that. PvP has some mount rewards, sure, but look at this latest official census.



Out of 70+ mounts in the game Mentor mount is the rarest because it's new and hidden by insane grind. But the rest of rarest are PvP mounts.

Such a little amount of people play PvP that anything related to it is already ultra rare, only a few players per server have these mounts.

It's already exclusive to pvp regulars without any time limit to get them, no need to make it even more rare by timegates.
Not to mention they rarely if ever use these mounts because they don't participate in any PvE activity, they don't appear in overworld areas, I see them only afking in Limsa waiting for the next pop all the time.

Designing mounts for PvP regulars is only a waste of developer resources.

According to your original point, about mounts being "pure pve territory", you're shooting yourself in the foot by posting the census. Of the 70 existing mounts, 6 are from PvP. Given how miniscule a part PvP plays in this game, it has a disproportionately large amount of mounts obtainable through PvP content. Fancy that, maybe SE is encouraging PvP content through provision of rewards.

The fact that PvP mounts are rare has more to do with its popularity with the kind of playerbase we have. SE has tried, through providing different PvP content with varying objectives, to cater to different groups of people. The latest, as you know, features a more relateable PvE-experience (the reception to this new mode is a different discussion entirely). PvP activity continues, largely due to its small, but dedicated, community of regulars.

Regardless of this fact, if the existing--fully available--PvP mounts are rare (exclusive, by your wording), making the upcoming exclusive (as indicated by SE on the Feast promotion page) Top 100/30 mount "fully available" won't greatly (relatively) increase its occurrence. It will only serve to insult the, again, small but dedicated PvP community, and dumb down the hype surrounding the individual seasons we have right now. That's bad for the content. Providing the carrot that drives us is our incentive to win the competition. I say this as someone who is not in the top 100 this season, and probably won't make it. I'm totally cool with that.

If nobody uses it it's a waste. Their team is small enough to create someting nobody ever sees anyway.

I wear my S1 top 100 PvP gear on the only jobs I play, SMN and the occasional AST. I have different sets for DoL and DoH, respectively.

I have the Gloria-Class Airship as my mount for every job except DoL jobs, that use a plant for BTN (Cloud Mallow), a water birb for FSH (White Lanner), and a fiROCK birb for MIN (Rose Lanner).

I see other people occasionally on PvP mounts on the way to hunt monsters, so they're out there.

Because up to that point you were able to get any mount if you were subscribed at the time. These are the first two really 'missable' mounts. Unless we start massive petitioning in General Discussion and they'll repeat rewards later or make them permanent. It worked with Lightning event gear (which was supposed to have limited time event exclusivity), it will work with mounts too.

This kind of thought, to me, is disgusting. In any competition, there will be winners, and there will be losers. It's rewarding and motivating to have wins and losses both, especially if the competition is skill- or talent-based. The grand prizes are for the winners, there already exists consolation prizes in the form of accessories and titles, not to mention random minion drops, PvP-specific currency for non-competitive rewards (weapons/gear/music/minion), and PvE currency. There's even 2 seasons for similar (but not the same) rewards for a second chance. That's more than enough handouts, stop asking for more.

Besides, there's nothing wrong with "missable" content. You already have that with many event items/titles, all 1.0 stuff, collector's items that require something like initial release only, etc. You don't have a leg to stand on. (Ty Tira)

[TiramisuMacaron]

I wear my S1 top 100 PvP gear on the only jobs I play, SMN and the occasional AST. I have different sets for DoL and DoH, respectively.

I have the Gloria-Class Airship as my mount for every job except DoL jobs, that use a plant for BTN (Cloud Mallow), a water birb for FSH (White Lanner), and a fiROCK birb for MIN (Rose Lanner).

I see other people occasionally on PvP mounts on the way to hunt monsters, so they're out there.
..... You don't have a leg to stand on. (Ty Tira)

No problem, I also want to comment that I think it is cute that you use different mounts depending on the Job you are currently.


To add to this point though, I have gotten a lot of comments asking about my Gloria airship when I use it. I tell them the feast, and ask the player if they want to play an 8v8 feast match with me to try it out (during times when queues pop). Sometimes they like it and I see them in future games. I've also had people comment on my Platinum Wolf title (even though it is going to be completely useless after this season with how easy diamond is, I honestly feel like all of the work I did to get platinum S2 is wiped away with the changes they made in S3. It is really a terrible feeling :/) and have later seen them in ranked feast matches trying to get the rewards themselves. Sounds like you get negative responses all the time, but I have seen a lot more positive things come out of my exclusive rewards than negative things, at least for the PvP community.

[SuperZay]

Besides, there's nothing wrong with "missable" content. You already have that with many event items/titles, all 1.0 stuff, collector's items that require something like initial release only, etc. You don't have a leg to stand on. (Ty Tira)

Every player had equal chance to get that stuff if he was subscribed at the moment.

It wasn't like, 'Hey, if you want a legacy gobbue be one of 30 first players to complete the quest!', what a nonsense. Yet it's somehow OK for these new mounts.

This is the first item which people will likley not get even if they are trying, because 30 per datacenter is too low.

I won a Bluebird earring in a forum contest before. But I'm not selfish like people I see here and dont want it to be one-time exclusive, everyone should have a chance to get it in future contests if they keep trying. Such rewards should remain rare but not missable.

[Nirokun]

Every player had equal chance to get that stuff if he was subscribed at the moment.

It wasn't like, 'Hey, if you want a legacy gobbue be one of 30 first players to complete the quest!', what a nonsense. Yet it's somehow OK for these new mounts.

This is the first item which people will likley not get even if they are trying, because 30 per datacenter is too low.

I won a Bluebird earring in a forum contest before. But I'm not selfish like people I see here and dont want it to be one-time exclusive, everyone should have a chance to get it in future contests if they keep trying. Such rewards should remain rare but not missable.

This kind of thought, to me, is disgusting. In any competition, there will be winners, and there will be losers. It's rewarding and motivating to have wins and losses both, especially if the competition is skill- or talent-based. The grand prizes are for the winners, there already exists consolation prizes in the form of accessories and titles, not to mention random minion drops, PvP-specific currency for non-competitive rewards (weapons/gear/music/minion), and PvE currency. There's even 2 seasons for similar (but not the same) rewards for a second chance. That's more than enough handouts, stop asking for more.

Besides, there's nothing wrong with "missable" content. You already have that with many event items/titles, all 1.0 stuff, collector's items that require something like initial release only, etc. You don't have a leg to stand on. (Ty Tira)

You cut out the meat of my post (that you quoted and responded to), it still serves as an excellent reply to this most recent post of yours. (Edit: "this most recent post" refers to your post, as quoted in this post, you have since posted as I typed up this response.)

Your point about the bluebird earring (as well as the other accessories and barding) differs from PvP because it encourages players to be creative, posting art, poems, and screenshots. There certainly is a difference between the numerical ratings of the feast leaderboard and the nebulous selection of winners of other such forum community events, "The FFXIV Development and Operations Teams will select winners based on creativity and overall execution according to the criteria listed above." (with the criteria being a list of what the submission should and should not entail, i.e. inappropriate/vulgar content).

Example used: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ntest-%28NA%29

Contrast this with The Feast:

"A season refers to the set period within which participants of the Feast must strive to achieve the highest possible PvP rating and tier. At the end of each season, players will receive rewards based on their final tier. Participants that fulfill certain conditions will also be eligible to receive special season bonuses. PvP ratings, tiers, and rankings will then be reset in preparation for the next season."

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...sden/thefeast/

"From patch 3.26 to 3.35 players can fight fang and claw to compete in solo and party rankings.
When the dust settles at the season's end, players will receive special accessories for placement in the bronze, silver, gold, platinum, and diamond tiers, with exclusive rewards for top-ranking players."

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...ea50cd49a4ad85

They announce that there is something for participating, so no complaints about missing anything. They also announce, separately, that there are "special"/"exclusive" rewards for winning, tied to each season, referring to top prizes. This is working as intended, and like I said before:

In any competition, there will be winners, and there will be losers. It's rewarding and motivating to have wins and losses both, especially if the competition is skill- or talent-based. The grand prizes are for the winners, there already exists consolation prizes in the form of accessories and titles, not to mention random minion drops, PvP-specific currency for non-competitive rewards (weapons/gear/music/minion), and PvE currency. There's even 2 seasons for similar (but not the same) rewards for a second chance. That's more than enough handouts, stop asking for more.

[SuperZay]

They announce that there is something for participating, so no complaints about missing anything.

And here's where you are wrong. It's an MMO, nothing is written in stone, developers often change rules based on feedback and community has a final word here. Community complained, and they removed exclusivity from minions, and they should do the same for mounts too. Just give PvP players something PvP related as rewards like unique looking LB animation which can be used only in PvP, and don't invade in PvE area because it's a conflict of interests with PvE players.

[TiramisuMacaron]

And here's where you are wrong. It's an MMO, nothing is written in stone, developers often change rules based on feedback and community has a final word here. Community complained, and they removed exclusivity from minions, and they should do the same for mounts too. Just give PvP players something PvP related as rewards like unique looking LB animation which can be used only in PvP, and don't invade in PvE area because it's a conflict of interests with PvE players.

You're posting in the wrong boards if you want developers to notice. Post in NA general, or JP boards.

I would rather have PvP exclusive rewards though. Special pvp emotes, pvp only weapon glamours, special lbs, etc.