How about a token system for ranked Feast?

[Nirokun]

Yeah, about that. PvP has some mount rewards, sure, but look at this latest official census.



Out of 70+ mounts in the game Mentor mount is the rarest because it's new and hidden by insane grind. But the rest of rarest are PvP mounts.

Such a little amount of people play PvP that anything related to it is already ultra rare, only a few players per server have these mounts.

It's already exclusive to pvp regulars without any time limit to get them, no need to make it even more rare by timegates.
Not to mention they rarely if ever use these mounts because they don't participate in any PvE activity, they don't appear in overworld areas, I see them only afking in Limsa waiting for the next pop all the time.

Designing mounts for PvP regulars is only a waste of developer resources.

According to your original point, about mounts being "pure pve territory", you're shooting yourself in the foot by posting the census. Of the 70 existing mounts, 6 are from PvP. Given how miniscule a part PvP plays in this game, it has a disproportionately large amount of mounts obtainable through PvP content. Fancy that, maybe SE is encouraging PvP content through provision of rewards.

The fact that PvP mounts are rare has more to do with its popularity with the kind of playerbase we have. SE has tried, through providing different PvP content with varying objectives, to cater to different groups of people. The latest, as you know, features a more relateable PvE-experience (the reception to this new mode is a different discussion entirely). PvP activity continues, largely due to its small, but dedicated, community of regulars.

Regardless of this fact, if the existing--fully available--PvP mounts are rare (exclusive, by your wording), making the upcoming exclusive (as indicated by SE on the Feast promotion page) Top 100/30 mount "fully available" won't greatly (relatively) increase its occurrence. It will only serve to insult the, again, small but dedicated PvP community, and dumb down the hype surrounding the individual seasons we have right now. That's bad for the content. Providing the carrot that drives us is our incentive to win the competition. I say this as someone who is not in the top 100 this season, and probably won't make it. I'm totally cool with that.

If nobody uses it it's a waste. Their team is small enough to create someting nobody ever sees anyway.

I wear my S1 top 100 PvP gear on the only jobs I play, SMN and the occasional AST. I have different sets for DoL and DoH, respectively.

I have the Gloria-Class Airship as my mount for every job except DoL jobs, that use a plant for BTN (Cloud Mallow), a water birb for FSH (White Lanner), and a fiROCK birb for MIN (Rose Lanner).

I see other people occasionally on PvP mounts on the way to hunt monsters, so they're out there.

Because up to that point you were able to get any mount if you were subscribed at the time. These are the first two really 'missable' mounts. Unless we start massive petitioning in General Discussion and they'll repeat rewards later or make them permanent. It worked with Lightning event gear (which was supposed to have limited time event exclusivity), it will work with mounts too.

This kind of thought, to me, is disgusting. In any competition, there will be winners, and there will be losers. It's rewarding and motivating to have wins and losses both, especially if the competition is skill- or talent-based. The grand prizes are for the winners, there already exists consolation prizes in the form of accessories and titles, not to mention random minion drops, PvP-specific currency for non-competitive rewards (weapons/gear/music/minion), and PvE currency. There's even 2 seasons for similar (but not the same) rewards for a second chance. That's more than enough handouts, stop asking for more.

Besides, there's nothing wrong with "missable" content. You already have that with many event items/titles, all 1.0 stuff, collector's items that require something like initial release only, etc. You don't have a leg to stand on. (Ty Tira)

[TiramisuMacaron]

I wear my S1 top 100 PvP gear on the only jobs I play, SMN and the occasional AST. I have different sets for DoL and DoH, respectively.

I have the Gloria-Class Airship as my mount for every job except DoL jobs, that use a plant for BTN (Cloud Mallow), a water birb for FSH (White Lanner), and a fiROCK birb for MIN (Rose Lanner).

I see other people occasionally on PvP mounts on the way to hunt monsters, so they're out there.
..... You don't have a leg to stand on. (Ty Tira)

No problem, I also want to comment that I think it is cute that you use different mounts depending on the Job you are currently.


To add to this point though, I have gotten a lot of comments asking about my Gloria airship when I use it. I tell them the feast, and ask the player if they want to play an 8v8 feast match with me to try it out (during times when queues pop). Sometimes they like it and I see them in future games. I've also had people comment on my Platinum Wolf title (even though it is going to be completely useless after this season with how easy diamond is, I honestly feel like all of the work I did to get platinum S2 is wiped away with the changes they made in S3. It is really a terrible feeling :/) and have later seen them in ranked feast matches trying to get the rewards themselves. Sounds like you get negative responses all the time, but I have seen a lot more positive things come out of my exclusive rewards than negative things, at least for the PvP community.

[SuperZay]

Besides, there's nothing wrong with "missable" content. You already have that with many event items/titles, all 1.0 stuff, collector's items that require something like initial release only, etc. You don't have a leg to stand on. (Ty Tira)

Every player had equal chance to get that stuff if he was subscribed at the moment.

It wasn't like, 'Hey, if you want a legacy gobbue be one of 30 first players to complete the quest!', what a nonsense. Yet it's somehow OK for these new mounts.

This is the first item which people will likley not get even if they are trying, because 30 per datacenter is too low.

I won a Bluebird earring in a forum contest before. But I'm not selfish like people I see here and dont want it to be one-time exclusive, everyone should have a chance to get it in future contests if they keep trying. Such rewards should remain rare but not missable.

[Zojha]

I'm sure you know about it and how both PVPers and non-PVPers feel about removing exclusivity.

Everyone who's not either selfish, a sadist, ignorant or any combination of them would always be against exclusivity of goods and for exclusivity of bads, because whenever you argue for exclusivity for goods or against exclusivity of bads, you argue for a lower total level of utility for the entire populace. Just as diseases should not be spread if it can be helped, items of value should not be exclusive if it can be helped, because the utility derived from the exclusion (both positive or negative) is always exceeded by the utility of the others being ex/included. Therefore, the goal is to spread goods as much as possible and confine bads as much as possible and the ideal world consequently is one where nobody is excluded from goods and everyone is excluded from bads. The age old dream of a world of peace and abundance.

As such, everyone in favor of exclusivity of goods (or against exclusivity of bads) is malicious, either out of sadistic tendencies, selfishness or ignorance. The prior two are lost causes, the latter should be resolved now. And if the reader now feels personally addressed or insulted, that's their own problem. I'm just calling the emperor naked here.

I'll grant that the margin of malice is very small when it comes to vanity goods in a obscure video game. But the principle remains.

[KusoWat]

As such, everyone in favor of exclusivity of goods (or against exclusivity of bads) is malicious, either out of sadistic tendencies, selfishness or ignorance. The prior two are lost causes, the latter should be resolved now. And if the reader now feels personally addressed or insulted, that's their own problem.

Wut?

Try this instead: People are proud of their accomplishments and don't want them diminished by having their rewards handed out to those that:

1) Are/were not skilled enough to achieve the same goal to obtain those rewards
2) Did not even try to achieve the same goal to obtain those rewards

In both of the above cases, those people feel entitled if they think symbols of prestige should just be given to them.

[TiramisuMacaron]

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All these years I was wrong about Olympic gold medalists. Who cares about their achievements, you've made me see the light. Anyone who has an Olympic gold medal is a "sadist, selfish, and ignorant". Shame on them! Olympic gold medals for everyone!!!

[SuperZay]

Likewise, PvP'ers who hold up virtual 'exclisive' trinkets to feel 'special' as if anyone cares about them

Pro tip: your achievements will become irrelevant in time. They are already irrelevant as nobody cares about S1 or S2 gear. What exaclty do you gain from exclusive goods nobody cares about?

And when they will all die with servers shutdown... what will you do? You'll remember it as 'Hey, once I spent 1000 hours to get that PvP item which only 10 people had on my server in that dead MMO while others were having fun in PvE by sharing everything and working together'? That doesn't sound like a good memory.

[KusoWat]

Likewise, PvP'ers who hold up virtual 'exclisive' trinkets to feel 'special' as if anyone cares about them

Pro tip: your achievements will become irrelevant in time. They are already irrelevant as nobody cares about S1 or S2 gear. What exaclty do you gain from exclusive goods nobody cares about?

How can you say this when you have not experienced it? Tons of people hold the rewards in high regard. It's just wrong to state otherwise. Until the end of the game, you will have people who ask...

"Hey, how'd you get that title?"
"Wow, where is that awesome mount from?"
"Woah! I've never seen that coat before!"
"You're the only person I've ever seen with that crown!"

And when they will all die with servers shutdown... what will you do? You'll remember it as 'Hey, once I spent 1000 hours to get that PvP item which only 10 people had on my server in that dead MMO while others were having fun in PvE by sharing everything and working together'? That doesn't sound like a good memory.

Why do anything in life, then? After all, we're just going to die eventually anyway.

[TiaHariberux3]

Pro tip: your achievements will become irrelevant in time. They are already irrelevant as nobody cares about S1 or S2 gear. What exaclty do you gain from exclusive goods nobody cares about?

On my old server (lich) and current one (gilgamesh) + in several Pve duties people did actually cared about S1 and S2 gear when I used it. They said it looks nice and asked how to get them ofc they were upset/jealous but they still said its pretty achievement reward which they want to have too.

How can you even know that no one cares if you never actually earned said rewards and used them smh.

[SuperZay]

They said it looks nice and asked how to get them ofc they were upset/jealous but they still said its pretty achievement reward which they want to have too.

That reminds me of when I equip 'The Reaper' title and random people ask how I got it and I tell them I did 500 fisher levequests and they are, like, 'Ohh... lame.', so I stopped using it.