How about a token system for ranked Feast?

[SuperZay]

Prestigious? This isnt up for debate, you can't get the gear without being in the top 100, that's prestigious.

You are overrating it. Just because someone is on Top doesn't mean it's prestigious. I mean, I'm number one Deep Dungeon player on my datacenter by score.



You can not beat my solo score. You... you simply will not beat it. Because it's not pvp, you actually need some skill to solo survive 150 floors and there's nobody who can help you.
But is it prestigious? Do you care? Does anybody care at all? No.

And the same is with PvP, nobody cares about whats your place is and how you get there. Total indifference. Bad looking glamour doesn't help either.
But at least new Top 30/100 mount will be rare and outstanding in a crowd, I admit it.

[TiramisuMacaron]

You can not beat my solo score. You... you simply will not beat it. Because it's not pvp, you actually need some skill to solo survive 150 floors and there's nobody who can help you.

Implying that the person who gets number one doesn't take skill? Implying that they get more help from their teammates than others who are trying to get rank one? This feels like a humble brag and an insult... I don't see how this is furthing your point, you don't get exclusive rewards for deep dungeon. There is a leaderboard, but they are completely different things. I'm sure the people trying to beat your score in deep dungeon care, same with pvp. Just because that person isn't you doesn't mean "nobody cares". Be careful with absolutes.

[Nirokun]

I'm not going to even try to argue what ratings means if you don't understand their significance. Clearly everyone in the top 100 got their by random chance, pure blind luck. Clearly.

Your perception about what is prestigious is really odd and off-base. I don't even know how the scoring works for Deep Dungeon but I think you must know what you're doing if you're #1, congrats. But maybe you don't, maybe you got their by random chance, pure blind luck.

This conversation has already been had elsewhere, where non-competitive players begged for ranked Feast rewards. I'm sure you know about it and how both PVPers and non-PVPers feel about removing exclusivity.

[Vaeria]

No. No no no. H E L L no. Its the exclusiveness/ limited window/ rareness that makes the item desirable in the 1st place. If the rewards were simply treated like items in a pvp style cash shop anyone could get, they'd lose their flare in relatively short time.

How many people currently have the black ADS mount from pvp? Everyone and their mama. 2 years old. When you see one, does it raise a brow? No....nothing special anymore, and can still be obtained.

Enter new limited pvp mount. Significantly less to go around, and in 2 years time itll still stand out more than the ADS one everyone has. Its the rarity that makes it special.

Sidenote, Niko had an excelent point about items in ff11 holding far more significance due to their rarity/ trouble to obtain. I remember being one of the first people to get full god gear from sky (Kirin's osode always~) and couldn't help but feel proud in it. Closest thing we have to stuff like that is savage gear...which becomes null nearly the second its released, vender gear having nearly the same effect.

The current system's fine. Limited window of opportunity for a cool item. Miss it and you have only yourself to blame.

[SuperZay]

I'm implying that nobody except tiny amount of pvp regulars care about pvp and its rankings and rewards, unless they invade in pure pve territory like minions and mounts. It's pvpers who actually tried to take away pve rewards, that's why they got such an angry community response in that minion thread.

If you think I'm wrong, try to shout in Limsa or Idylshire 'Hey guys I'm in top 10 of last seasons Feast, isnt that just awesome?' and see what kind of responses you'll get.

[Murph]

If you think I'm wrong, try to shout in Limsa or Idylshire 'Hey guys I'm in top 10 of last seasons Feast, isnt that just awesome?' and see what kind of responses you'll get.

Here is where your problem lies, PvP'ers dont' give a shit what the trolls in /shout think or care about

[Nirokun]

I'm implying that nobody except tiny amount of pvp regulars care about pvp and its rankings and rewards, unless they invade in pure pve territory like minions and mounts. It's pvpers who actually tried to take away pve rewards, that's why they got such an angry community response in that minion thread.

If you think I'm wrong, try to shout in Limsa or Idylshire 'Hey guys I'm in top 10 of last seasons Feast, isnt that just awesome?' and see what kind of responses you'll get.

I will reiterate something already stated, because it's also happened to me: People have asked where I got my gear/mount/title because they were unfamiliar with it. I've seen many, many posts (here and reddit) where people post images of PVP gear, asking others where they can find it because they've never seen it before.

You're 100% delusional if you think mounts/minions are "pure pve territory". PVP has what, 6, soon to be 7 (then 8 with S4) mounts? We recently had a minion added via wolf marks, and another added as a random feast drop. Stop being ridiculous.

FWIW, I've been congratulated by FC members and a neighbor for placing in the top 100, not to mention anyone in an actual PVP area for instant "street cred".

Everyone who's not either selfish, a sadist, ignorant or any combination of them would always be against exclusivity of goods and for exclusivity of bads, because whenever you argue for exclusivity for goods or against exclusivity of bads, you argue for a lower total level of utility for the entire populace. Just as diseases should not be spread if it can be helped, items of value should not be exclusive if it can be helped, because the utility derived from the exclusion (both positive or negative) is always exceeded by the utility of the others being ex/included. Therefore, the goal is to spread goods as much as possible and confine bads as much as possible and the ideal world consequently is one where nobody is excluded from goods and everyone is excluded from bads. The age old dream of a world of peace and abundance.

As such, everyone in favor of exclusivity of goods (or against exclusivity of bads) is malicious, either out of sadistic tendencies, selfishness or ignorance. The prior two are lost causes, the latter should be resolved now. And if the reader now feels personally addressed or insulted, that's their own problem. I'm just calling the emperor naked here.

I'll grant that the margin of malice is very small when it comes to vanity goods in a obscure video game. But the principle remains.

Your analogy is wholly unrelatable because these exclusive rewards aren't "useful" goods, they're trophies. The trophies are up for grabs for anyone meeting the minimal requirements to participate in the contest, and awarded to the winners as defined by a set of pre-defined rules and criteria. None of what you said has any bearing on the topic at hand.

Likewise, PvP'ers who hold up virtual 'exclisive' trinkets to feel 'special' as if anyone cares about them

Pro tip: your achievements will become irrelevant in time. They are already irrelevant as nobody cares about S1 or S2 gear. What exaclty do you gain from exclusive goods nobody cares about?

And when they will all die with servers shutdown... what will you do? You'll remember it as 'Hey, once I spent 1000 hours to get that PvP item which only 10 people had on my server in that dead MMO while others were having fun in PvE by sharing everything and working together'? That doesn't sound like a good memory.

And yet here you are, trying to obtain something you supposedly don't care about. Wut?

Pro Tip: Everything is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. My grandfather said, about any problems, "In 100 years it won't matter", because you'll be dead and gone. So let me revel in the my achievements, on display through my "exclusive" winnings. Clearly they're lusted after, if only by you (which we all know isn't true).

IDK about you, but I still play this game with players from our previous MMO, who know about my past and current achievements. Get more friends and be able to relate? IDK what to tell you.

[SuperZay]

You're 100% delusional if you think mounts/minions are "pure pve territory". PVP has what, 6, soon to be 7 (then 8 with S4) mounts? We recently had a minion added via wolf marks, and another added as a random feast drop. Stop being ridiculous.

Yeah, about that. PvP has some mount rewards, sure, but look at this latest official census.



Out of 70+ mounts in the game Mentor mount is the rarest because it's new and hidden by insane grind. But the rest of rarest are PvP mounts.

Such a little amount of people play PvP that anything related to it is already ultra rare, only a few players per server have these mounts.

It's already exclusive to pvp regulars without any time limit to get them, no need to make it even more rare by timegates.
Not to mention they rarely if ever use these mounts because they don't participate in any PvE activity, they don't appear in overworld areas, I see them only afking in Limsa waiting for the next pop all the time.

Designing mounts for PvP regulars is only a waste of developer resources.

[TiaHariberux3]

Designing mounts for PvP regulars is only a waste of developer resources.

Just because something is rare/hard to obtain doesn't mean that its a waste of developer resources. Lol

[SuperZay]

Just because something is rare/hard to obtain doesn't mean that its a waste of developer resources. Lol

If nobody uses it it's a waste. Their team is small enough to create someting nobody ever sees anyway.