Stupid reason to report someone

[RosaLunaCelestia]

A healer is a healer no a dps. He is not supposed to dps if he heal. If a healer feel he can to do both in same time , he can dps. If dont think cant dps in same time he can just heal. It depend of people. Prefer heal than lets pple die because u dps .

I dont think the report you got made something to you. As a healer is a healer , no a dps class.

[Isala]

I dont think the report you got made something to you. As a healer is a healer , no a dps class.

Stop. Just STOP. Stop spreading this around. Your own class quests tell you how wrong you are as a White Mage. They mock Selphie for having the opinion that a healer should only ever heal. When your own NPC trainers try telling you that you should really be DPSing, you cannot, and SHOULD not, pretend otherwise.

[Berethos]

Stop. Just STOP. Stop spreading this around. Your own class quests tell you how wrong you are as a White Mage. They mock Selphie for having the opinion that a healer should only ever heal. When your own NPC trainers try telling you that you should really be DPSing, you cannot, and SHOULD not, pretend otherwise.

Eh, that's more them getting on the character for not embracing the other aspects of conjuring, which is understanding/purifying the land and seeking to understand and use the elements around them to do so...whereas she was using her own innate ability that was drawing from her own life force.

Not really meant to be a "healers should also DPS" lesson from the devs.

[Kosmos992k]

Stop. Just STOP. Stop spreading this around. Your own class quests tell you how wrong you are as a White Mage. They mock Selphie for having the opinion that a healer should only ever heal. When your own NPC trainers try telling you that you should really be DPSing, you cannot, and SHOULD not, pretend otherwise.

The fact that all content is balanced around DPS from DDs and at most the base DPS from tanks, should tell you that healer DPS is not a factor in content balance. The game developers do not assume that healers are dealing damage in group content, they assume that healers will be healing. Stop this nonsense about healer DPS. Sure, healer DPS is a bonus, it's nice to have and a great healer can do it, but it is not, has not been and will never be mandatory. Nor will it ever be OK to insult healers who don't add much dps, as long as they are keeping everyone from dying, they are fulfilling the role we need from them.

With regard to the original post and topic. Reporting a healer for not doing damage in group content is more or less the same as reporting the Sun for not being the moon.

I mean seriously, your role is a dead give away to what you are supposed to be doing. If you are doing that with decent effect, there are no grounds for a report of any kind.

Lets see.
DDs are meant to deal damage, so their DPS is king.
Tanks are meant to keep aggro, and that is done through a combination of specific hate generating skills and hate multipliers on regular attacks, which naturally deal damage.
Healers are meant to heal, remove status effects and provide some buffing to the party. Can they deal some damage? Sure, but it's not part of the role they fulfill in the party, the skills that they use for healing removing status effects and buffing are targeted at players and naturally they do no damage to the enemy.

One other point. DDs and tanks pay attention to the enemies only, that is their focus. a healer's focus is the rest of the party. Anyone demanding that healers also do damage is in effect saying that the healer has to do two jobs, and pay attention to twice as much as anyone else does. Perhaps those DDs demanding that healers also DPS should take a look at their own damage output before asking healers to compensate for their (or their fellow DDs) lack of skill.

[Vidu]

The fact that all content is balanced around DPS from DDs and at most the base DPS from tanks, should tell you that healer DPS is not a factor in content balance. The game developers do not assume that healers are dealing damage in group content, they assume that healers will be healing. Stop this nonsense about healer DPS.

And this is where you're wrong. The game (and therefor the devs) are expecting healers to deal damage. While their main focus might be healing its pretty clear and obvious that you should be dpsing if you dont have to heal. Again, the game is telling you so itself in the "tutorial" kinda thing. Healers have to stop denying that its also their duty to deal damage. You have the skills for it - use them! Dont just sit there and wiggle your thumbs (specially a scholar could practically just hit auto-follow; done expert with a friend of mine yesterday, he healed me like three or four times while the fairy did the rest and he was basically a third dps) and dont defend such behaviour. While it might not be a reason to report someone, it is a reason to kick that person. And when I can finish a dungeon without a lazy-ass leeching healer as good as with him jumping around me, casting a cure every minute, I will.

[Kosmos992k]

And this is where you're wrong. The game (and therefor the devs) are expecting healers to deal damage.**snip** And when I can finish a dungeon without a lazy-ass leeching healer as good as with him jumping around me, casting a cure every minute, I will.

No. Actually. Back when the first round of Alex Savage happened and there was a DPS check as high as a wall, there was a huge discussion about healer DPS because early clear parties had to maximize everyone's DPS to clear. It turned out that in fact the content was balanced without healer DPS in the first place, but it assumed more or less ideal gear and perfect execution of optimal rotations. Because of that, early clears really required healer DPS to help make up the gear and execution gap.

But it was made clear by the devs that they do not in fact count healer damage output when balancing content.

Frankly, your attitude and use of insults is a perfect example of the mentality nthat hurts the game, community and other players.

[DarkB]

And this is where you're wrong. The game (and therefor the devs) are expecting healers to deal damage. While their main focus might be healing its pretty clear and obvious that you should be dpsing if you dont have to heal. Again, the game is telling you so itself in the "tutorial" kinda thing. Healers have to stop denying that its also their duty to deal damage. You have the skills for it - use them! Dont just sit there and wiggle your thumbs (specially a scholar could practically just hit auto-follow; done expert with a friend of mine yesterday, he healed me like three or four times while the fairy did the rest and he was basically a third dps) and dont defend such behaviour. While it might not be a reason to report someone, it is a reason to kick that person. And when I can finish a dungeon without a lazy-ass leeching healer as good as with him jumping around me, casting a cure every minute, I will.

this is completely wrong and inaccurate. The game does not expect healers to deal damage. Its part of a very old content that came out when people couldnt even figure out the optimal dps rotation on top of lacking the appropriate ILVL gear. Now some people adopted the healer dps strategy to proceed further into clearing the content to be faster instead of waiting to be geared up, but that has nothing to do with the fact that you need to dps as a healer or a tank.

i've seen so many wipes caused by healers that instead of healing were dpsing, or tanks that switched to deliverance because they wanted to dps and they got annihilated by the next mechanic in their face.
you want to dps? go dps.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

The fact that all content is balanced around DPS from DDs and at most the base DPS from tanks, should tell you that healer DPS is not a factor in content balance. The game developers do not assume that healers are dealing damage in group content, they assume that healers will be healing. Stop this nonsense about healer DPS. Sure, healer DPS is a bonus, it's nice to have and a great healer can do it, but it is not, has not been and will never be mandatory. Nor will it ever be OK to insult healers who don't add much dps, as long as they are keeping everyone from dying, they are fulfilling the role we need from them.

With regard to the original post and topic. Reporting a healer for not doing damage in group content is more or less the same as reporting the Sun for not being the moon.

I mean seriously, your role is a dead give away to what you are supposed to be doing. If you are doing that with decent effect, there are no grounds for a report of any kind.

Lets see.
DDs are meant to deal damage, so their DPS is king.
Tanks are meant to keep aggro, and that is done through a combination of specific hate generating skills and hate multipliers on regular attacks, which naturally deal damage.
Healers are meant to heal, remove status effects and provide some buffing to the party. Can they deal some damage? Sure, but it's not part of the role they fulfill in the party, the skills that they use for healing removing status effects and buffing are targeted at players and naturally they do no damage to the enemy.

One other point. DDs and tanks pay attention to the enemies only, that is their focus. a healer's focus is the rest of the party. Anyone demanding that healers also do damage is in effect saying that the healer has to do two jobs, and pay attention to twice as much as anyone else does. Perhaps those DDs demanding that healers also DPS should take a look at their own damage output before asking healers to compensate for their (or their fellow DDs) lack of skill.

This is literally the most accurate statement made here in this thread full of opinions. Thank you for this.

[Zojha]

This is literally the most accurate statement made here in this thread full of opinions. Thank you for this.

It has a lot of questionable implications however.

If your role is all that matters, it means that it is perfectly fine for a tank to stop doing attacking once aggro is established. It means that DPS have no obligation to use any of their support skills ever. And it says it's alright to go completely AFK as scholar if the fairy can handle the healing, because healing is your only responsibility and the bot can do that "with decent effect".

I find such behavior undesirable and consequently cannot support the notion that ones role is all that matters. I do not care what the devs have in mind when they design content either - they also advised us to be careful with pulls in Xelphatol, so apparently they aren't the most connected with the reality of their game. And if healer DPS is not something the devs consider, the decision to lower the accuracy caps for casual content is truly baffling, considering nobody but healers has been affected by that change at all.

Standing around and doing nothing productive - or worse, being actually AFK - IMO is not acceptable, whether someone's primary role is fulfilled in the process or not. Purposely not using out of role abilities IMO is a scumbag move as well - Imagine asking for mana song to salvage a rocky group and the bard just goes:"Nope, my role is to deal DPS and that reduces my DPS. We'll just wipe instead, git gut at your own role." Yeah no, that bard would rightfully be told off, but that's pretty much what the person you quoted said right there, including the git gut part even. I don't even...

[DamianFatale]

If a healer has time to stand around, jump around, emote, sit down, make a coffee while waiting to heal, they have time to help dps. If the tank is squishy and constantly dipping in health quickly, then go ahead and pure heal. If DPS stands in AoEs and goes down quickly, their problem. As a healer, it's a matter of laziness with dps. Time to lean, time to clean. If you can stand around for awhile, you can dps.

Or not. Just let people play how they want. You don't pay for their sub.