Regarding the new Achievement System

[Riv]

Maybe these have already been asked and answered somewhere else, but:

1. Will rewards for achievements be retroactive? As in the players who already have the achievements when the system is implemented automatically get the rewards?

2. Are the achievments for the new system going to be separate from the current "achievements" on the lodestone?

3. Will said "achievements" on the lodestone cease to exist when the new system is implemented?

Just curious.

[normalforce]

These are some of the very same questions I have been wondering about ever since I heard about the 300+ achievements coming in 1.20.

Now, my preference is not to have achievements awarded retroactively. But I think that largely depends on what type of achievements they've set up. Will they be similar to the player history on Lodestone, just a bunch of milestones? "Reach level 35 on Pugilist", "Discover all 24 camps", "Complete 100 local leves". I can never level Pugilist back to 35, so if that's one type of achievement they've added, they'll have to be unlocked right away. And it's not like I can rediscover the camps or undo the local leves.

Hopefully the achievements will it be something a little less mundane and a bit more fun, "Defeat an NM naked" or some such thing.

If I recall correctly, the in-game achievement and the Lodestone player history are going to remain separate. I thought a Dev or Yoshi-P said that somewhere, but I read a lot of stuff on these forums and just might be remembering a statement someone made that fits with what I think they should do.

[Chrees]

1. No

2. Yes

3. No

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[Rowyne]

They're not incorporating the Lodestone History into the achievement system? Well, that's just silly. They're milestones, just like everything else you accomplish. And they show just how long you've been playing.

I don't buy the idea that it's somehow unfair to others not to have those things unlock retroactively. I've been here since Beta, I think I should have something to show for it. That actually really annoys me.

I expected to log in to 1.20 and have the achievements that mirror my Lodestone History automatically unlock.

[normalforce]

They're not incorporating the Lodestone History into the achievement system? Well, that's just silly. They're milestones, just like everything else you accomplish. And they show just how long you've been playing.

I don't buy the idea that it's somehow unfair to others not to have those things unlock retroactively. I've been here since Beta, I think I should have something to show for it. That actually really annoys me.

I expected to log in to 1.20 and have the achievements that mirror my Lodestone History automatically unlock.

The Lodestone History seems to be more about documenting every little event as your character progresses, whereas achievements can be more about jumping through a particular set of hoops. Defeat X without taking any damage while using a weathered weapon, etc. But will they?

Who knows. I, for one, am very interested to see what they've actually come up with. Just from the latest Q&A interview for Yoshi-P he had a few interesting things to say:

A: The crown is an achievement reward that will be in 1.20. The achievement system is coming in 1.20, and certain feats will earn you various rewards. Let me say, though, that it won't be that easy to get the cooler achievements.


A: First, you'll be able to enjoy and participate in the Seventh Umbral Era event. There'll be achievements related to that which won't be available later. There'll be achievement rewards, battles with the Garlean Empire, and other items that will be exclusive to that period.

Achievement rewards sounds like a nice little bonus, which hopefully isn't just a little gil here and there. And when he says "cooler achievements" it makes me think that whatever they are will, to some extent, be more involved then just one or two simple tasks. One can hope.

[Rowyne]

The Lodestone History seems to be more about documenting every little event as your character progresses, whereas achievements can be more about jumping through a particular set of hoops. Defeat X without taking any damage while using a weathered weapon, etc. But will they?

Achievement rewards sounds like a nice little bonus, which hopefully isn't just a little gil here and there. And when he says "cooler achievements" it makes me think that whatever they are will, to some extent, be more involved then just one or two simple tasks. One can hope.

Oh, trust me, I hope they incorporate challenging achievements with tangible rewards. I had just envisioned that the Lodestone History is where they would start and build up from there.

Why can't they have exploration achievements (arriving at aetherytes) as well as raid achievements (iron man runs, defeating bosses without anyone dying, etc)? There's no reason why both simple and challenging achievements can't both exist in the same system, just reward them accordingly.

OCD ppl like me LOVE achievements, unlocking every little one. My main character in WoW has 7590 achievement points. I was looking forward to working for both the mundane and the epic. It would renew some interest in the game for me.

[Chrees]

They're not incorporating the Lodestone History into the achievement system? Well, that's just silly. They're milestones, just like everything else you accomplish. And they show just how long you've been playing.

I don't buy the idea that it's somehow unfair to others not to have those things unlock retroactively. I've been here since Beta, I think I should have something to show for it. That actually really annoys me.

I expected to log in to 1.20 and have the achievements that mirror my Lodestone History automatically unlock.

I agree, I think it's a bit silly. But even if they want to keep with "being fair" and giving new players the same advantage when it comes to achievements, they should at least give achievements for things that can still be accomplished post-1.20. Like getting a class to level 50, or reaching all of the camps/nodes.

On the flip side though, they did say they have over 300 achievements ready for 1.20, so I'd imagine there's quite a bit of variety already there. And like normalforce said, the Lodestone History does seem a bit more suited for smaller, incremental events--things that don't require much extra effort while simply playing the game--like the ones I mentioned earlier. I'd imagine the new achievements are going to be pretty interesting and tough to accomplish in comparison, so I'm excited to see what they've come up with.

[normalforce]

I'd imagine the new achievements are going to be pretty interesting and tough to accomplish in comparison, so I'm excited to see what they've come up with.

That's my one fervent hope that the achievements are going to be something of a challenge. And if all 300+ have no overlap with the Lodestone Character History even better, but my bet is there is going to be some overlap. And I, for one, am not going to say no to logging in and automatically getting a bunch of rewards for things I've already accomplished. Twist my arm, why don't you.

Now, if only the rewards would yield small character bonuses I'd be in heaven.