Is progressive content or the community to blame for player skill gap?

[Jpec07]

There's a skill gap and there's an experience gap. I think a lot of people tend to confuse the two (especially here), and that the skill gap isn't nearly as wide as most people think.

The experience gap is caused by impatient players who can't be bothered to teach others how to get through content, and who leave at the first sign of trouble. This causes a situation where PF is filled with parties that require experience to get in. This leads to a situation where the only way to get experience is to have experience, which leaves new players who don't have connections in the dust.

I do think the skill gap is fed by the experience gap, and that the perception of the skill gap is amplified by it as well. People see others fail to mechanics they failed to explain (but that were explained to them only after they themselves failed), and assume the person who failed is bad--when in fact, they just didn't know what to look for. Many people also forget that raid awareness is a learned and practiced skill, and that we were all n00bz at one point.

[Kosmos992k]

There's a skill gap and there's an experience gap. I think a lot of people tend to confuse the two (especially here), and that the skill gap isn't nearly as wide as most people think.**snip** People see others fail to mechanics they failed to explain (but that were explained to them only after they themselves failed), and assume the person who failed is bad--when in fact, they just didn't know what to look for. Many people also forget that raid awareness is a learned and practiced skill, and that we were all n00bz at one point.

Indeed.

I think the problem with these gaps are community based. It is the community that deems it OK to demand that all players view online videos prior to actually playing the game, and then castigates those who do not. For me, at least 90% of learning mechanics and boss fights in general happens during play, and at best 10% comes from reading about it or watching a video.

If more people learned mechanics by doing them, instead of memorizing the content of a how to video, we'd have better players in general. But the prevailing attitude in the community goes against that, calling you a 'bad' if you fail to watch some video or another.

[Miste]

Indeed.

I think the problem with these gaps are community based. It is the community that deems it OK to demand that all players view online videos prior to actually playing the game, and then castigates those who do not.

Are you sure most of the community feels that way though? I think most people agree that people need time to learn and I don't see tooooo many people say things like you have to watch a video prior to doing the content nor do I agree with that. People should be able to try the content blind if they want to.




As for topic...both sides of the community have bad apples. We have some people impatient and not willing to give new players time to learn, but we also have some new players who insult people who try to give them help or advice and don't actually try to learn. So I just don't know about making it out to be one side is the only one at fault for some players lack of skill.

In general blaming our peers for our own lack of knowledge or skill just doesn't work. If someone felt they were not getting taught properly usually it would fall to the teacher not your fellow peers right? The teacher is the one with the obligation to teach you, not your classmates.

So if mentors aren't helping then yeah they signed up to help they should be helping, but normal other players...they don't actually have any obligation to spend the time trying to teach others anything really.

Despite all that though insulting people for playing not up to your personal standards is definitely wrong, but so is insulting people who offer help or advice (unless they are throwing out insulting words in their advice). I've seen both happen so I don't agree it is only the knowledgeable/skilled players who are causing problems.

[Tarta]

IGud

That. +1

I come from old school MMO era. Everquest - good luck finding proper kill videos that weren't complete trash or weren't swamped with a dozen player characters swamping the screen.
You had to do a fight to learn a fight.
Just do it.
Keep doing it.
Eventually you learn it.
Once you learn it you improve the fight, you access shortcuts once you reach phases faster. You make the fight yours.
Lots of people don't have the time to do this anymore. I sure don't. I used to, but now...not sure.
So instead you use kill videos to skip 12-15 hours of wipes and learning and get into a particular strat to kill the boss. It's a shortcut. It doesn't breed better players however. It can over long periods of time, but it won't off the bat.

[bswpayton]

There's a skill gap and there's an experience gap. I think a lot t.

So where does that leave us this summer, when for instance binding coil is a no go now will be then, people dont even like Alexander now, so I can actually see it becoming even worse to try and do that binding coil is now because at least binding coil had a good story. All primals below storm blood with be the same challenge as they are now gettin in a sync party to do them and some people just want deal with the hassle.

So will have people who the hardest actual content they would have done is dungeons thrust into whatever crazy primals or raids are in storm blood with little experience with those type mechanics

[SendohJin]

So will have people who the hardest actual content they would have done is dungeons thrust into whatever crazy primals or raids are in storm blood with little experience with those type mechanics

they won't be thrust into EX Primals and Omega Savage, they don't have to do those. they can still do Omega Normal mode and just do the Primals in the story mode.

[bswpayton]

they won't be thrust into , .

Well of course but with how dungeons work , its pretty much nothing like , some of the extreme primals are so its very possible that someone could either jump to storm bold never doing any of the harder content before it. Or other players will deal with wats going on now with Arr content , people will run all of the primals unsync and cake walk over them like whats happening now already. And once they get to the end of storm blood they would of had no experience with extreme such content. There wasnt a single dungeon or hardmood that I can say that prepared me for any extreme primal when I first started, now I see what people mean by mid-core content its like going from the easy last msq quest dungeons to an extreme primal are night and day. The hard mood versions of these arent even close to preparing u for the extreme versions either, its actually pretty int interesting how wide that gap even is.

[Watachy]

Snip

Sounds like real life.

- Want that job ? You need 5 years experience !
- But i just finished sch...
- 5 five years experience and below 25 yo.
- Flash News: unemployement is nearly 30% for 20/28yo people

Lel dude

[Ghastly]

There's a skill gap and there's an experience gap. I think a lot of people tend to confuse the two (especially here), and that the skill gap isn't nearly as wide as most people think.

The experience gap is caused by impatient players who can't be bothered to teach others how to get through content, and who leave at the first sign of trouble. This causes a situation where PF is filled with parties that require experience to get in. This leads to a situation where the only way to get experience is to have experience, which leaves new players who don't have connections in the dust.

Cactuar is one of the best servers because we don't mind running clear parties for 2-3 hours even if we don't clear, the experience matters.
Would be interesting if clearing primals with bonus increased bird drop rate to like 50%

There would be more clears, more people helping new people, etc

[bswpayton]

Cactuar is one of the best servers because we don't mind running clear parties for 2-3 hours even if we don't clear, the experience matters.
Would be interesting if clearing primals with bonus increased bird drop rate to like 50%

There would be more clears, more people helping new people, etc

Well I guess thats maybe what this cross server party finder intends to do I know that's coming around I'm just afraid that it will be like it is on my server and just a bunch of parties posting up unsync runs.