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  1. #11
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    Quote Originally Posted by LadyKairi View Post
    Thanks For the advice! I guess I've tried doing the crit aldo since the floor is on fire. I've felt it gives the dps more time to do damage on E.D.D. Since my cohealer has focused more on doing damage, I've always felt it was needed, because people used to die a lot from not getting healed in time for whirlwind. Or they would survive whirlwind, but die because they were hitting the E.D.D./ moving for positionals. The crit aldo has cut the deaths there significantly. Although, with the healer sub we had lastnight didn't seem to need that help. So I guess it just depends on who I have healing with me.
    You will definitely need to plan things out with your Astro. Having the SCH solo heal after Photon is not very efficient because they have pretty limited burst AOE healing (Emergency + Succor + Indom). Relying on an Adlo spam hoping for a crit because your AST doesn't want to precast a Helios is terrible and is time that you could be DPSing not to mention Adlo is very MP expensive.

    I'm not really sure what order my AST does their heals, but I'm sure it's probably Aspected Helios precasted to go off as Photon Hits followed by a Helios. That combined with your Indom and maybe Sacred Soil (depending on how many stacks your group has accumulated) should be plenty to keep everyone healthy. If your Adlo typically falls off before Whirlwind then you can also Succor after Photon goes off for that extra bit of redundancy.
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  2. #12
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    If you are getting to the last phase GA-100 after the shield you are making the soft enrage. So if there were no deaths, then it's mostly DPS optimization at this point. Like literally after that final whirlwind, people should be getting damage potions out for their DoTs, swiftcast your shadowflare. Plan on who on the DPS is going to hit LB. Do whatever it takes to push. The OT shouldn't even bother running away with the GA if its that close, they should go-ham as most won't ever survive it because of the tower damage remaining.

    Of course the fight gets easier once the raid has access to those gobdip 270 weapon upgrades, since the margins for error become significantly less. So it's worth throwing everything including the kitchen sink at clearing.

    I wouldn't worry about trying to bait out a Crit Adlo for any of the spreads, the shield is there to cover that GCD so they don't have to stop doing damage. Then immediately Indom once they fall to 1. The AST should be timing their Helios at that moment too and that should top them off for the whirlwind. Sometimes I throw down the Soil too depending on stacks.

    ACC is the most importance for any savage healer, and missing things like Energy Drain is the worst. Like any 270 right sides should absolutely be ACC V or VIT V (if capped by other means, like if you have anima ACC to cap can just use VIT melds). Left side mostly if not-all ACC V. So it'll come down to a pentameld right side to cap along with food. Ideally for SCH the best one to use is the crafted choker because it's the best stat weight trade-off, but many use the ring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lulunami View Post
    - Photon #1: Targets off-tank. Finish casting Adlo before Photon finishes cast. Immediately Lustrate off-tank.
    If paired with a whitemage: Benediction is a good choice for this mechanic. Saves an aetherflow stack for something else.

    Preshielding photons during pyretic is still mandatory. The photon targets will still drop to 1 HP. But the shields migitate some ticks of the pyretic damage. By this, the others don't have to stop and wait for healing.

    BTW: The GA-100 in the last phase can be bypassed (just for the case towers are missíng). The target has to jump down at the right moment and it will deal no damage
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  4. #14
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    Quote Originally Posted by KarstenS View Post
    If paired with a whitemage: Benediction is a good choice for this mechanic. Saves an aetherflow stack for something else.
    When my AST goes WHM, we would save Bene for the Laser X Sword that our DRK uses Living Dead for before the DPS photon, since that can be solo'd with an immunity. I still think a Lustrate/force embrace is best use since skipping the first shield is common once DPS gets higher.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KarstenS View Post
    BTW: The GA-100 in the last phase can be bypassed (just for the case towers are missíng). The target has to jump down at the right moment and it will deal no damage
    Is it just that one GA that it works for? Or does it work for the one before that too? My group has been trying to do that, but I don't think it's getting timed right because it ended up targeting our MCH last second and slaughtering us xD Then again, it seems the boss has some beef with our MCH

    In all seriousness, my group isn't gathering tonight to try and relieve some stress, but I've changed out some melds. I'm redoing the melds on my chest too. So far I'm at 530 acc (without food), and I'm working at getting IV's to try and finish pentameld oh my gosh my headpiece and put some on my chest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LadyKairi View Post
    and finish pentameld oh my gosh my headpiece and put some on my chest.
    Ugh, autocorrect on iPhone sucks. I meant "and finish pentamelding my headpiece"

    *facepalm*
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judge_Xero View Post
    It sounds like you do things very similar to my group.

    Me on A11S - Old Video
    Gj on the kill, but when I see that I wonder if SE designes the fight for 2 or 1 healer? You effectively DPSed for 95% of the duration of the encounter. With the future release of the Redmage, assuming he could bring some healing utility, will it make group bring 1 heal 1 rdmg instead of 2heals? I mean.... if the second healer is useful once every 40sec for 1 aoe heal...
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    Quote Originally Posted by technole View Post
    we would save Bene for the Laser X Sword that our DRK uses Living Dead for before the DPS photon.
    Hallowed Ground FTW :P

    Saves Bene^^

    We use it for the LaserX in the Lapis phase (Summoner DOTs and MT are enough for one Lapis, so the OT can go with the DDs) and in earlier days for a LaserX in the last phase a second time.

    Quote Originally Posted by LadyKairi View Post
    Is it just that one GA that it works for? Or does it work for the one before that too?
    No. But at this point you don't "need" an offtank anylonger and having not all towers alive is a 100% wipe. So sacrifiring the OT is the onliest way to get some more seconds uptime at all.

    We got this just one time to work and this try was a wipe anyway. At our first kill and later kills, we didn't got to that GA-100. This should be the focus of your group and the group needs to get even better for A12S, as there are some tighter DPS checks.
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    Considering warrior is practically another dps, if you are already that far behind it doesn't make any sense to sac. Just man-mode those last few seconds if it comes down to it.

    In speed runs because lots of mechanic skipping, the first GA-100 in the last phase is actually mitigated by AST+SCH skills keeping the warrior on Cruiser, and helps LB build up.

    Quote Originally Posted by KarstenS View Post
    Hallowed Ground FTW :P

    Saves Bene^^
    I forget what Hallowed Ground is, PLD this tier is rather scarce.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylvain View Post
    Gj on the kill, but when I see that I wonder if SE designes the fight for 2 or 1 healer? You effectively DPSed for 95% of the duration of the encounter. With the future release of the Redmage, assuming he could bring some healing utility, will it make group bring 1 heal 1 rdmg instead of 2heals? I mean.... if the second healer is useful once every 40sec for 1 aoe heal...
    I'm not sure what you mean. My Fairy was healing 100% of that fight. My group runs 2 Healer, 5 DPS and 2 Tanks.

    Not to de-rail OP's thread, but I hope that the next Raid Tier is a little harder. I can see that SE made this one fairly easy to allow people headroom to actually improve on their classes. (ample space for both healers to Clerics practice and extremely low tank damage to allow for Tank DPS stance practice)

    Because of Healer Utility I'm sure there will always be a need for two healers in Raid. I also doubt that RDM will have any Healing White magic.

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    @ Kairi Knight'

    Really looking forward to find out when you get your clear. Also if you happen to keep Logs of your fights it does make it easier to analyze where any major issues are that are preventing a clear.
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