Weird english

[Enkidoh]

Because the dialogue is different then in the original.

That doesn't mean it's 'changed' though - as previously stated the JP and English language versions are actually written concurrently and actually take concepts from each other, it's not like how RPGs used to be translated when there was an original JP version and the game was translated into English and other languages separately. Koji-Fox has done numerous interviews where he explains all this and the reasons why certain things might differ between the JP version and the English version.

Also before you pass judgement even the JP version of 1.0 had all it's spoken cutscenes in English too for the reasons I mentioned in my previous post, it's for world-building.

[AshlikeSnow]

That doesn't mean it's 'changed' though - as previously stated the JP and English language versions are actually written concurrently and actually take concepts from each other, it's not like how RPGs used to be translated when there was an original JP version...[/i]

If you understood and can speak Japanese and compare it to what the English text is translating its a different game and the major difference is the medieval theme, the old English as Yasuhiro mention in a previous post.

I mean the amount of times you heard the word succor during 2.0-2.55 was silly, felt like the localization team were playing a game to see how many times they could put in random sentences.

[Nestama]

Because the dialogue is different then in the Japanese.

That's the magic of dialects.
*Also, slightly changed what you said in the quote because no matter how much you say it, there is no "original" voiced language in FFXIV (though Enkidoh does raise a good point with 1.0's voiced dialogue all being English... so I guess that means English is the original if we go by your example?). However, what we do know is that the Eorzean language is based on the English language.

[Berethos]

If you understood and can speak Japanese and compare it to what the English text is translating its a different game and the major difference is the medieval theme, the old English as Yasuhiro mention in a previous post.

I think you're grossly over-exaggerating how much the "medieval theme" present in the English language version makes it a "different game."

Remove those "pray tells" and "succors" and things like that? You're still going to have an English version that has noticeable differences in the dialog and text. Some of that will be from changing references or tidying elements of conversations that involve nuances found in one language that aren't in the other. Some of that will be due to technical reasons where if they need the text to be of a certain length (this is a real thing) and have to change what was said (while still carrying the same overall message) to fit the text in because a straight translation wouldn't fit.

And then there's the big one that tends to impact English localization a lot - lip movement. They have to make sure that dialog fits the lip movement as much as possible, and if a straight translation would be shorter or longer than the lip movement animation (and it often is)? It has to be changed to say something else that still carries the same message.

Remove all of the Tolkien-esque style language (it's really not Shakespeare, it's far too modern in the majority of cases for that) and you will still have numerous differences in the translation for the reasons above.

[AshlikeSnow]

Snip.

Well its all about enjoyment yes? I enjoy the original work and I did not enjoy the medieval localization of XIV its a vastly different game and experience.

[MeeDeggiThePunisher]

I'm not a big fan of Eorzeanese either.

It's also very much in line with the style of Vagrant Story, Final Fantasy Tactics (War of the Lions) and Final Fantasy XII.

Not once have skipped over or facepalm'd at the dialogue in any of those games or in the other fantasy game/book/movie I've enjoyed.

[Yasuhiro]

I keep hearing "forced", but how is it so?

Don't really have any cutscenes to point you towards in XII and it's kind of hard to explain without comparing them side to side
but for example a character like Minfillia in the English version she'll constantly say "pray seek" "is aught amiss" "Come for succor" like they're really trying to push that the localization is so flowery and different where as in XII to me the ye olde speak isn't really that heavy and I can read and listen to it naturally without noticing that it is there.

This is all completely subjective of course and that's just how I view it.
I know the cutscene is pretty infamous and I'm going against my opinion but I think the archaic English when speaking to Middy is good localization for that race since they're very ancient, he could be a bit less vauge but overtime I no longer have a problem with the way the dragons speak the way they do.

[Nestama]

Well its all about enjoyment yes? I enjoy the original work and I did not enjoy the medieval localization of XIV its a vastly different game and experience.

Only Ishgard really has a medieval theme going for it, though.

[Berethos]

I'm not a big fan of Eorzeanese either.



Not once have skipped over or facepalm'd at the dialogue in any of those games or in the other fantasy game/book/movie I've enjoyed.

The vast majority of dialog in the English version of the game is just modern English with a few older phrases or words thrown in from time to time (and some aren't even that old, or were still in use just 50 years ago), alongside the typical use of Final Fantasy jargon.

I'm having trouble believing you really found the dialog here to be so much worse that you skipped parts and and somehow avoided the same reaction in other fantasy works. Hell, if you've read Tolkien or watched the LOTR trilogy then you've read/heard essentially the same type of fantasy-speak.

[AshlikeSnow]

Don't really have any cutscenes to point you towards in XII and it's kind of hard to explain without comparing them side to side
but for example a character like Minfillia in the English version she'll constantly say "pray seek" "is aught amiss" "Come for succor" like they're really trying to push that the localization is so flowery and different where as in XII to me the ye olde speak isn't really that heavy and I can read and listen to it naturally without noticing that it is there.

This is all completely subjective of course and that's just how I view it.
I know the cutscene is pretty infamous and I'm going against my opinion but I think the archaic English when speaking to Middy is good localization for that race since they're very ancient, he could be a bit less vauge but overtime I no longer have a problem with the way the dragons speak the way they do.

I completely agree, some of it can just be over the top.