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    Quote Originally Posted by AshlikeSnow View Post
    If you understood and can speak Japanese and compare it to what the English text is translating its a different game and the major difference is the medieval theme, the old English as Yasuhiro mention in a previous post.
    I think you're grossly over-exaggerating how much the "medieval theme" present in the English language version makes it a "different game."

    Remove those "pray tells" and "succors" and things like that? You're still going to have an English version that has noticeable differences in the dialog and text. Some of that will be from changing references or tidying elements of conversations that involve nuances found in one language that aren't in the other. Some of that will be due to technical reasons where if they need the text to be of a certain length (this is a real thing) and have to change what was said (while still carrying the same overall message) to fit the text in because a straight translation wouldn't fit.

    And then there's the big one that tends to impact English localization a lot - lip movement. They have to make sure that dialog fits the lip movement as much as possible, and if a straight translation would be shorter or longer than the lip movement animation (and it often is)? It has to be changed to say something else that still carries the same message.

    Remove all of the Tolkien-esque style language (it's really not Shakespeare, it's far too modern in the majority of cases for that) and you will still have numerous differences in the translation for the reasons above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Berethos View Post
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    Well its all about enjoyment yes? I enjoy the original work and I did not enjoy the medieval localization of XIV its a vastly different game and experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AshlikeSnow View Post
    Well its all about enjoyment yes? I enjoy the original work and I did not enjoy the medieval localization of XIV its a vastly different game and experience.
    Only Ishgard really has a medieval theme going for it, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AshlikeSnow View Post
    Well its all about enjoyment yes? I enjoy the original work and I did not enjoy the medieval localization of XIV its a vastly different game and experience.
    What original work? You don't listen to anyone, and you refuse to accept actual truth while constantly arguing circles and circles (mostly around yourself). But there is no "original work" Enkidoh pointed out to you that BOTH the English and Japanese versions of the game have been concurrently written with each other.

    NOT to mention YOU completely ignore and just OUT RIGHT refuse to look at the proof someone EVEN linked for you in an earlier thread about this almost same topic.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh View Post
    Know what else is ridiculous? You also being wrong by claiming that there's an original Japanese script.

    The head English localizer flat out states that they have a hand in creating many of the game's terms and the lore. (Also in video format!) They help localize the English names and terms back into Japanese. Localization is far more than just translation.
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    Personally I like the way the game is in English, aside from "bad dubs" you occasionally see in some Japanese>English media... I actually prefer hearing/reading/seeing things in my own native language (or some Spanish, since it's the only other language I know somewhat.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by AshlikeSnow View Post
    Because the dialogue is different then in the Japanese.
    That's the magic of dialects.
    *Also, slightly changed what you said in the quote because no matter how much you say it, there is no "original" voiced language in FFXIV (though Enkidoh does raise a good point with 1.0's voiced dialogue all being English... so I guess that means English is the original if we go by your example?). However, what we do know is that the Eorzean language is based on the English language.

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    I didn't read much posts but English language one of the worst languages in the world. So, it's understandable if you translate something from Japanese, Chinese or Arabic text, it tends to lose it's meaning very much. Blame pathetic English, not translation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gastovski View Post
    I didn't read much posts but English language one of the worst languages in the world.
    Thanks for taking the time out to learn and speak it.
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    And as I have said before, that is the magic of dialects. Some talk like a pirate, some talk like they're from 'medieval' times, some talk normally and others talk like a pompous know it all. In the case of voice acting, there are many different English accents.
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    I really didn't mind any of the dialects I came across in the game.

    Until I went to Forgotten Springs.
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    I like the use of the dialects to show region disparity. it is pretty much as some have said, takes on the many "fantasy tropes" that have popped up over the past century(ies). As an example WoW for the most part reads like a teen fantasy novel at best, and there is little differentiation between the races mon! (horde has it a bit better :P) Now, all of this is subjective though, and if people didn't enjoy the "teen novel" style those books wouldn't sell so well, still its a disservice to the loc team to try and insist their work is inferior because of a lack of understanding dialects and their nuance.
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