Thread: How would they fix PLD 4.0?

Originally Posted by ChloeGrace

Skill-gating and ressource-managing ideas

So, basically, made PLD play like WAR ?

Originally Posted by ChloeGrace

They should gate Royal Authority behind Sword Oath, and up the potency.
Alter Savage Blade to have increased potency in combo while in Sword Oath. instead of increased enmity.
Gate Rage of Halone behind Shield Oath.

I don't even know where to start... Do you even play any end game content with pld or any tank?

Originally Posted by Reynhart

So, basically, made PLD play like WAR ?

oh hell no

Originally Posted by Reynhart

So, basically, made PLD play like WAR ?

It's not a stretch. (Bard 3.0 says hi to Machinist.)

Originally Posted by ChloeGrace

It's not a stretch. (Bard 3.0 says hi to Machinist.)

Precedence alone doesn't make it any more desirable though.

Originally Posted by Reynhart

they won't try to change the meta

but they dont support it either, if not they put grit and oaths out of gcd with that change, and looking how they nerf str builds to the ground and remove healer acc from gears point to other path, its hard to know what devs thinks actually looking at the current state of the game and they choices, some defend this is intenden and others like me think this was a experiment of how this can go and get out of control in the very begining and they try to mitigate the effects of what they do during all the expansion, bcs a total rework can be very expensive and overload the combat team work, compared to 2.x, 3.x get a lot of changes on many jobs with a stats revamp on tanks and healers whit keeping they work creating new mechanics and new dungeons every 3 months.

so i hope we get some new info about what they go to do in the fan fest or at least tease us in some way, in coil the raid desing make the weight of the fight was distributed betwen all 3 roles having boses with want us to get all mitigation posible, boses asking for a lot of heals where they run out of mp (old days when mage ballad was more important), and some but rare heavy dps fights like avatar, alexander put all the weight in the DPS, they put us multiples boms how we need deactivate as we dodging 50cal bullets, at a some extreme point we are not requre to keep our tank stance and healers are looking they belly button so what we do? DPS, our roles are so easy now, dealt high DPS with pretty simple rotations thats all.

so back to the topic and that clemency shield, depend of the game desing, the only way that can work is if that heal shield is enough to take out a healer and solve the dps lose with a 5º dps or healer work being more harder and that make it they save some MP preventing the BRD/MCH have to use MP refress, i dont think save a tank of going to tank stance that rare fight is enough to compensate the PLD dps of all the fight with sacrifice for clemency.

Originally Posted by shao32

if not they put grit and oaths out of gcd with that change

GCD and MP is a "cost". Wether it's better than having to stay in the same stance for 10 seconds is debatable.

Originally Posted by shao32

and looking how they nerf str builds to the ground and remove healer acc from gears

Our numbers maybe lower than before, but it's still highly recommended to push them as high as possible.

Originally Posted by shao32

they try to mitigate the effects of what they do during all the expansion

That's a possibility. But now that the community follows that, it will be hard to change back.

Originally Posted by shao32

the only way that can work is if that heal shield is enough to take out a healer and solve the dps lose with a 5th dps

I personally wouldn't mind that, but it's a really big stretch.

Originally Posted by shao32

or healer work being more harder and that make it they save some MP preventing the BRD/MCH have to use MP refress

I wouldn't mind that either...but since I don't play healer, it's a bit unfair to advocate on their job being made harder

Originally Posted by shao32

I dont think save a tank of going to tank stance that rare fight is enough to compensate the PLD dps of all the fight with sacrifice for clemency.

The thing is, with 100% SwO uptime, PLD is actually not that bad DPS wise. Goring Blade and Royal Authority are really powerful. And allowing a DRK to never activate Grit is also a huge DPS gain in the long run, allowing for highest uptime of Blood Weapon and a lot more MP to focus on offensive skills.

And suddenly, the idea of DRK+PLD working as a pair to compete with WAR's throne is a bit funny

Originally Posted by Reynhart

I wouldn't mind that either...but since I don't play healer, it's a bit unfair to advocate on their job being made harder

well obiously is not healty for the game this way, not with a proper desing of the jobs to perfect adapt this actual meta, with is obviously many jobs are not, about healers i meaning healing skill, not really make the job harder just try to focis it more on heals and mp manage, i play healers some times, AST now and before the over buffs, and i almost solo heal 24 raids and extremes, top players hp is pretty easy they have so much free time practically in all content.

Originally Posted by bswpayton

I almost feel like they kinda picked on pali the more I play it , and its my defacto main but its reallly just horrible. Palis highest attack is 100 less potency than drk soul eater combo, 150 less potency than warrior fell cleave.

But Royal Authority can be used over and over for free. And keep in mind that PLD have the highest DoT potency of all the jobs with Goring Blade.
Yes, its damage is lower but "horrible" is a bit strong.

Spirits Within is a free 300 potency on a 30s timer, Carve & Spit is a MP costly 450 potency on a 60s timer. Even factoring the 15% damage boost thanks to Darkside, its average potency is lower, even before Fight or Flight.