Thread: How would they fix PLD 4.0?

[QUOTE=shao32;4027482]PLD have a lot of it, is the tank with more mitigations tools, improving that raid or outside mitigation tools dont solve nothing for now bcs tanks only need to survive the hit, having any /QUOTE]

Warrior to me Is just the best tank period , and I somewhat main a pali, they have the highest potency attack in the game fell cleave, along with storms eye. I think a few things can be done to help pali but many disagree, I think a quick start would be to change the oaths for one its just common sense give pali shield at level 30 why they haven't done this is beyond me. Give pali more damage aoe, warrior has 3 including overpower, drk has 3 including unleash. Paladin has an ability it can use ever 25 seconds while both of the other tanks can use flash, but in a game build on speed runs I think its a disservice to force pali to only weave their combos to get damage on all mobs and wait 25 seconds to hit everything at once.

The cooldown should be brought down to at least 10 seconds, they also should lower the mp cost of clemency I think that 2000 plus is way to much considering how easy the other tanks have access to some of their better abilities. Also they should lower the gcd of spirits withing , the potency isnt that high to be on a 25 second gcd when its also yet another single target ability. As it stands RA potency is 350, with both other tanks having abilities that outpace this from 100 to 150 potency, at the least they could give paladin more aoe, and make some of their abilities more accessible sense they automatically will always do less damage than the other tanks. The mitigation of paladin is overstated to me a bit with awareness being cross class, sentinal doesnt really stand that far above shadow wall to me.

Originally Posted by shao32

thats why WAR have the high damage penalty and PLD have less

Hmm, not, his is not...Defiance has the highest penatly because WAR is able to maintain a permanent 32% permanent damage buff. But you're right, ShO and Grit are not made for stance dancing, so give us a way to not require stance dancing. PLD and DRK already avoid them as much as possible once raid progression is done.

Originally Posted by shao32

i "hate" how PLD and DRK get "forced" to follow the WAR stance mechanic

At the core, I also don't like that. But judging at how they "fixed" PLD in the past, they won't try to change the meta. Why would they change ShO and SwO to not break combos if we weren't supposed to switch between them ?

Originally Posted by shao32

and about storm eye debuff i dont think so

Then you must be new to the OF People rage just about everything that can be considered a nerf. They complained about the VIT change for WAR, even if the relative damage was the same between the three tanks...

Originally Posted by shao32

well this is FFXIV not SWTOR we go to get more and more new jobs so balance go be more harder and harder with time

Yes, it will, be. Especially if you want to balance jobs 1-vs-1.
We want to play the jobs we want, and it's easier to do if you can find a synergy between 2 or 3 jobs instead of "Nope, WAR is better, deal with it". It's not that hard to have one player who plays MCH or BRD when you're a DRK. Or if you create a synergy between one tank and casters, to find a BLM, a SMN...or a RDM.

Originally Posted by Reynhart

they won't try to change the meta

but they dont support it either, if not they put grit and oaths out of gcd with that change, and looking how they nerf str builds to the ground and remove healer acc from gears point to other path, its hard to know what devs thinks actually looking at the current state of the game and they choices, some defend this is intenden and others like me think this was a experiment of how this can go and get out of control in the very begining and they try to mitigate the effects of what they do during all the expansion, bcs a total rework can be very expensive and overload the combat team work, compared to 2.x, 3.x get a lot of changes on many jobs with a stats revamp on tanks and healers whit keeping they work creating new mechanics and new dungeons every 3 months.

so i hope we get some new info about what they go to do in the fan fest or at least tease us in some way, in coil the raid desing make the weight of the fight was distributed betwen all 3 roles having boses with want us to get all mitigation posible, boses asking for a lot of heals where they run out of mp (old days when mage ballad was more important), and some but rare heavy dps fights like avatar, alexander put all the weight in the DPS, they put us multiples boms how we need deactivate as we dodging 50cal bullets, at a some extreme point we are not requre to keep our tank stance and healers are looking they belly button so what we do? DPS, our roles are so easy now, dealt high DPS with pretty simple rotations thats all.

so back to the topic and that clemency shield, depend of the game desing, the only way that can work is if that heal shield is enough to take out a healer and solve the dps lose with a 5º dps or healer work being more harder and that make it they save some MP preventing the BRD/MCH have to use MP refress, i dont think save a tank of going to tank stance that rare fight is enough to compensate the PLD dps of all the fight with sacrifice for clemency.

Originally Posted by shao32

if not they put grit and oaths out of gcd with that change

GCD and MP is a "cost". Wether it's better than having to stay in the same stance for 10 seconds is debatable.

Originally Posted by shao32

and looking how they nerf str builds to the ground and remove healer acc from gears

Our numbers maybe lower than before, but it's still highly recommended to push them as high as possible.

Originally Posted by shao32

they try to mitigate the effects of what they do during all the expansion

That's a possibility. But now that the community follows that, it will be hard to change back.

Originally Posted by shao32

the only way that can work is if that heal shield is enough to take out a healer and solve the dps lose with a 5th dps

I personally wouldn't mind that, but it's a really big stretch.

Originally Posted by shao32

or healer work being more harder and that make it they save some MP preventing the BRD/MCH have to use MP refress

I wouldn't mind that either...but since I don't play healer, it's a bit unfair to advocate on their job being made harder

Originally Posted by shao32

I dont think save a tank of going to tank stance that rare fight is enough to compensate the PLD dps of all the fight with sacrifice for clemency.

The thing is, with 100% SwO uptime, PLD is actually not that bad DPS wise. Goring Blade and Royal Authority are really powerful. And allowing a DRK to never activate Grit is also a huge DPS gain in the long run, allowing for highest uptime of Blood Weapon and a lot more MP to focus on offensive skills.

And suddenly, the idea of DRK+PLD working as a pair to compete with WAR's throne is a bit funny

Originally Posted by Reynhart

I wouldn't mind that either...but since I don't play healer, it's a bit unfair to advocate on their job being made harder

well obiously is not healty for the game this way, not with a proper desing of the jobs to perfect adapt this actual meta, with is obviously many jobs are not, about healers i meaning healing skill, not really make the job harder just try to focis it more on heals and mp manage, i play healers some times, AST now and before the over buffs, and i almost solo heal 24 raids and extremes, top players hp is pretty easy they have so much free time practically in all content.