How would they fix PLD 4.0?

**Khalithar** · 02-15-2017 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by ADVSS

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I keep hearing the damage component being added to flash and I'm not exactly sure I agree with that. I'd rather have a new aoe type attack given to pld to make use of its underutilized mp and some kind of (superior) utility added to flash.

But every time I think about possible fixes my thoughts always come back to the mp bar and it's potential. Mostly because when I think paladin I think holy knight smiting their enemies with a sword and holy power. Then I think of final fantasy tactics and the holy sword magic used by Agrias and Orlandu and how the solution is right there!

**Khalithar** · 02-15-2017 11:59 AM

Can't edit cause I'm on mobile. When it comes to a better utility for flash I was thinking some kind vulnerability debuff in the vein of the slashing damage debuff or requiem.

**Shurrikhan** · 02-15-2017 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by Khalithar

Can't edit cause I'm on mobile. When it comes to a better utility for flash I was thinking some kind vulnerability debuff in the vein of the slashing damage debuff or requiem.

Alternatively, couldn't you just make Blind useful to counterattacks, instead of it actually indirectly reducing the proc chances of blocks and parries (a faint dps loss)?

**Khalithar** · 02-15-2017 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

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I considered that as well and I'm a bit torn. On the one hand if we make blind better it won't help much with the lack of aoe damage and it still wouldn't be useful on bosses.

Now granted not every ability needs to be good in every situation since a warrior won't use overpower on a boss for example. But making Flash better (while certainly a buff) isn't really what's needed for the class in my opinion.

**Shurrikhan** · 02-15-2017 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by Khalithar

I considered that as well and I'm a bit torn. On the one hand if we make blind better it won't help much with the lack of aoe damage and it still wouldn't be useful on bosses.

Now granted not every ability needs to be good in every situation since a warrior won't use overpower on a boss for example. But making Flash better (while certainly a buff) isn't really what's needed for the class in my opinion.

In fairness, for a change like that to benefit PLD AoE, Shield Swipe would need a Low Blow reset mechanic, and/or a sort of stacking mechanic allowing it to strike *every* enemy you recently blocked for a portion of main target damage.

...At that point though, you may as well have Bulwark cause your shield to work against magic as well, and change Shield Oath to simply forgo damage reduction on shield moves and revert it to -20% damage dealt for -20% damage taken.

**ADVSS** · 02-15-2017 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

In fairness, for a change like that to benefit PLD AoE, Shield Swipe would need a Low Blow reset mechanic, and/or a sort of stacking mechanic allowing it to strike *every* enemy you recently blocked for a portion of main target damage.

...At that point though, you may as well have Bulwark cause your shield to work against magic as well, and change Shield Oath to simply forgo damage reduction on shield moves and revert it to -20% damage dealt for -20% damage taken.

could definately see a diablo-esque thorns-like ability added to bulwark, The holy knight/Agrias comment was awesome as well, I just felt Flash would be a more homogenous retooling to put them on par with the other 2 tanks when dealing with multiple target tanking. Also feel like pld losing might have a chance to be addressed in their newer skills since a lot of its holy theme is probably going away with the cross role system,even if admittedly they werent really that great, well stoneskin had its uses moreso stoneskin/protect,

**Claire_Pendragon** · 02-15-2017 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by ADVSS

It would be really simple if they want to just have flash do blind naturally and its trait should add damage, Well this would work and be beneficial for even the other tanks to at least think about cross classing it for some instances(featherfoot on warrior, dark dance on DRK) but considering the removal of cross class, flash will probably just go to the wayside, and maybe itll be retooled for damage on pld, I mean it seems like a common sense solution to the aoe problem and early level tanking.

Actually this gives me an idea. Giving Flash the ability to raise dmg dealt to blinded targets by 5% alone helps make you "feel" as if you're contributing to AoE dmg. (Even if you're not directly, and even if its not very useful in some scenarios where mobs are immune to blindness) (Though id still like some of the other minor filler options, so u could also try to maximize blinds duration, w/o just spaming flash.)

**Khalithar** · 02-15-2017 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

a sort of stacking mechanic allowing it to strike *every* enemy you recently blocked for a portion of main target.

You know I think something in that vein is a bloody brilliant idea as I think on it more. Up the potency of shield bash (not sure what would be a good number but bear with me on this idea) have the damage be a cone aoe directly in front of the target. Have the stun effect only apply to the primary target.

As far as bulwark goes, I've always felt that shield swipe should have no cooldown while it's active.

**winsock** · 02-15-2017 09:29 PM

Originally Posted by Claire_Pendragon

Actually this gives me an idea. Giving Flash the ability to raise dmg dealt to blinded targets by 5% alone helps make you "feel" as if you're contributing to AoE dmg. (Even if you're not directly, and even if its not very useful in some scenarios where mobs are immune to blindness) (Though id still like some of the other minor filler options, so u could also try to maximize blinds duration, w/o just spaming flash.)

This isn't a bad idea. I might make the vulnerability up independent of blind though. It would apply the extra dmg contribution from tank stance too which helps push it further away from WAR and DRK styles. If it was done in such a way that it could impact bosses/single target, it would also help with tp issues since the PLD would use tp less frequently.

**Reynhart** · 02-15-2017 10:19 PM

Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

In fairness, for a change like that to benefit PLD AoE, Shield Swipe would need a Low Blow reset mechanic

Or Shield Swipe could be changed to be a conal AoE on GCD, still proced by blocking. It's called War Drum and it existed back in 1.xx.
Downside : Useless for OT.

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