Thread: How would they fix PLD 4.0?

Originally Posted by bswpayton

I almost feel like they kinda picked on pali the more I play it , and its my defacto main but its reallly just horrible. Palis highest attack is 100 less potency than drk soul eater combo, 150 less potency than warrior fell cleave.

But Royal Authority can be used over and over for free. And keep in mind that PLD have the highest DoT potency of all the jobs with Goring Blade.
Yes, its damage is lower but "horrible" is a bit strong.

Spirits Within is a free 300 potency on a 30s timer, Carve & Spit is a MP costly 450 potency on a 60s timer. Even factoring the 15% damage boost thanks to Darkside, its average potency is lower, even before Fight or Flight.

I have All 3 Tanks at 60 and I do a lot of Lore grinding. When playing my high speed Dark Knight I feel like im racing through the dungeon behind the wheel of a Ferrari. Between toggling stances for DPS bursts on bosses to unloading Dark Arts+Dark passanger on a horde of trash mobs I am fully engaged. My fingers and thumbs are moving so fast my group can only wonder why anybody brings a paladin into expert roulette. Dark Knight was a beautifully designed class. Paladin on the other hand feels like im driving to work in a Ford Focus.

PLD needs a shield skill that absorbs damage into TP.

Also, more AoE weaponskills. Large pulls are never going away.

Sword weapon potency needs to be a bit higher, maybe some kind of double/triple attack trait.

I am honestly getting tired of all this "Paladin is broken" stuff. Paladin was Never broken and still isn't. The savage raid at the time was just poorly tuned towards Paladin and their dps was slightly underwhelming. A1S and A4S was designed specifically for Drk to shine because of the frequent magical tankbusters, HOWEVER was still possible for Pld to accomplish. The world first a2s clear used a Pld even with the lack of AoE damage they possessed because Cover and Hallowed were busted for that fight. a3s would have used Pld provided they got their 3.2 dps buff from the start. The only reason they chose Drk was because of the increased DPS capability. Come Midas and the DPS buffs, Pld dominated over Drk and many people exclaiming for a Drk buff.

If you want a job that was truly broken, look at War from 2.0, the only mitigation it had was Foresight, which was largely underwhelming, and arguably Thrill of Battle, Vengeance only had the counter damage, Inner Beast healed for 300% damage rather than mitigating 20% for 6s, Holmgang did not prevent you from going below 1hp and the healing benefit from Defiance was tied to their stacks, meaning that if the Warrior used Inner Beast, they would heal themselves for a small amount and then lose all extra healing from healers. In 2.0 Warrior was so broken it could not even clear the harder duties, they would constantly die to tankbusters because they had no mitigation. This was promptly fixed in 2.1 to make them actually useful in some capacity. Paladin in 3.0 was never that broken.

Come Sword Oath discussion: Yes, SwO is the most boring DPS stance, however it is the most powerful one. With all melee DPS and Tanks, Auto Attacks do approximately 20% of their DPS on all occasions. Sword Oath ticks, do 70% of the damage of an Auto Attack, and hence increases Auto Attack DPS from 20% to 34% (not even including the 15% increase from dropping Shield Oath)

So please. Stop Saying Paladin is broken. It is the weakest for DPS yes, but not by much. What is not broken does not need to be fixed.

There's no escaping the fact that "Paladin is broken" .

In content where the paladin isnt expected to do anything other than main tank there's not so much of an issue. It's the 4 man content where it feels so generic and cookie cutter and downright broken compared to WAR and Dark.
Paladin would feel so much smoother if they would simply do the following:
-Make SwO level 30 reward and ShO level 40
-Make Shield Swipe an oGCD high potency aoe
-access to Circle of Scorn at lower level. 50 is too late
-Make Clemency a oGCD close proximity group heal or some sort of party wide attack buff.

Originally Posted by Truck

-Make SwO level 30 reward and ShO level 40

Ehhh, that's how it is now. Did you mean Shield Oath at 30 and Sword Oath at 40?