How would they fix PLD 4.0?

**Jonnycbad** · 02-08-2017 02:06 PM

Wasn't it shown that Sword Oath PLD was extremely competitive as OT now after the buffs? The problem with PLD is that their DPS as MT is *FAR* below DRK and WAR. As OT though, they're pretty on par. The dps gain from Sword Oath is huge -- you won't see big numbers like WAR or DRK, but the autoattack potency adds up.

**Falar** · 02-08-2017 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by Jonnycbad

Wasn't it shown that Sword Oath PLD was extremely competitive as OT now after the buffs? The problem with PLD is that their DPS as MT is *FAR* below DRK and WAR. As OT though, they're pretty on par. The dps gain from Sword Oath is huge -- you won't see big numbers like WAR or DRK, but the autoattack potency adds up.

I (and many) feel that PLD was already better as OT. OT to me is WAR>PLD>DRK. If a DRK is not getting attacked it loses blood price, reprisal, and low blow procs.

PLD plays like a "classic" tank; lots of mitigation tools, a little healing, more defensive abilities than the other two tanks. I've seen good numbers out of PLD MT stance dancing but yeah, its still lower than DRK. But if they equalized DPS among the three tanks in the MT role I don't think that would be good for balance either.

WAR sure owns the OT spot. I guess with three tanks even if one is the strongest MT (but worst OT), another the strongest OT (but worst MT), the other tank doing both "OK" isn't going to leave many players happy. I'm sure the answer is tough.

I almost promise 4.0 will give PLD a decent AoE attack though.

**Sarcatica** · 02-09-2017 03:52 PM

People just need to stop comparing other games because they are fundamentally different in the core.

No great PLD/DRK in this game wants to pull first if possible, you are wasting too much steam from 1 GCD switching. This is the main core issue at the highest level, the minor one being having the penalty from ShO/Grit. Also why WAR pulling is just the best, as long as you have NIN you can get away with aggro issue from WAR using Storm's Eye first and without Unchained at that. You know how busted BB combo being part of WAR's DPS rotation.

This balance is so delicate at the top but you know SE won't bother adjusting skills to cater the 1% of the raiding population. With that said, please don't act like you guys know how it feels at the top trying to maximize when MOST of you have not touched any raid in 3.x, all I can say. Every jobs remain viable and that's all that matters to the developers.

**ChloeGrace** · 02-09-2017 05:37 PM

They should gate Royal Authority behind Sword Oath, and up the potency.
Alter Savage Blade to have increased potency in combo while in Sword Oath. instead of increased enmity.
Gate Rage of Halone behind Shield Oath.
Get rid of the crappy auto attack buff on Sword Oath completely.
Add a stacking mitigation buff triggered by successful parry or block.
Add a job ability that burns stacks and, while in Sword Oath, does single target damage, and in Shield Oath, does AoE damage.

**ADVSS** · 02-09-2017 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by ChloeGrace

They should gate Royal Authority behind Sword Oath, and up the potency.
Alter Savage Blade to have increased potency in combo while in Sword Oath. instead of increased enmity.
Gate Rage of Halone behind Shield Oath.
Get rid of the crappy auto attack buff on Sword Oath completely.
Add a stacking mitigation buff triggered by successful parry or block.
Add a job ability that burns stacks and, while in Sword Oath, does single target damage, and in Shield Oath, does AoE damage.

I want to hit 'like' on this but im not entirely sure how I feel about it actually getting implemented

after
a moment of thought im terrified to see pld only using roh only while mt again

**Reynhart** · 02-09-2017 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by ChloeGrace

Skill-gating and ressource-managing ideas

So, basically, made PLD play like WAR ?

**ADVSS** · 02-09-2017 06:23 PM

Originally Posted by Reynhart

So, basically, made PLD play like WAR ?

oh hell no

**ChloeGrace** · 02-10-2017 01:15 AM

Originally Posted by Reynhart

So, basically, made PLD play like WAR ?

It's not a stretch. (Bard 3.0 says hi to Machinist.)

**Shurrikhan** · 02-10-2017 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by ChloeGrace

It's not a stretch. (Bard 3.0 says hi to Machinist.)

Precedence alone doesn't make it any more desirable though.

**aleph_null** · 02-09-2017 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by ChloeGrace

They should gate Royal Authority behind Sword Oath, and up the potency.
Alter Savage Blade to have increased potency in combo while in Sword Oath. instead of increased enmity.
Gate Rage of Halone behind Shield Oath.

I don't even know where to start... Do you even play any end game content with pld or any tank?

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