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    Player Vhailor's Avatar
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    Deionarra Eidolon
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    I can't speak for SE's intentions obviously, but one obvious benefit to platform bosses is that over-gearing is much less likely to eliminate all risk. That's a plus, considering how much vertical scaling SE employs for itemization.
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    You differentiate between the types as platform and non-platform, but really they both come down the same thing: pay attention and do the mechanics correctly, or fail.

    The difference really only comes into play much later, when everyone way out gears the fight, and may be able to just cheese through "non-platform primals" without bothering to do, or even know, the mechanics.

    imo if someone is unable to do the mechanics properly, they do not serve to clear the primal when it is current. Maybe unpopular, but that is my personal opinion.

    Having said that, by your definition, Ramuh Ex is not a platform primal, and in my experience of roulette, this is by far the hardest primal to pug. It requires a degree of co-ordination, people paying attention, and managing mechanics accordingly, and a large portion of the playerbase just seem incapabale of doing that. I reached a thousand mentor roulettes yesterday, and have only ever cleared Ramuh Ex once whenever it's put me in there.
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    Nic Pay
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    Quote Originally Posted by randysquirrel View Post
    You differentiate between the types as platform and non-platform, but really they both come down the same thing: pay attention and do the mechanics correctly, or fail.
    I guess for some people, but for me like titan I never die to mechanics in that fight, nor do many people I've ran it with death only comes from falling off the platform. Levitation you would think you are still in normal mood until the gates come off that actually makes it even an extreme, not that Ive done this fight much the ques for these arr primals are extremely long.

    With shiva she just has a ton of mechanics and I have seen quite a few parties abandon on her, are die to her mechanics, Thormarch is just a bunch of craziness but I find that more fun than say a titan because its not a you get knocked off and your done. And as I mention savage alexander doesn't have this feature and its suppose to be the hardest content in the game. I just don't see that they are the same thing, Id rather have a bunch of one hit kill mechanics than just every last new primal with some sort of falling off and your done mechanic, I dont mind a mix but all of them is just a bit overkill.

    (And I dont count any unsync primals I did as a clear, I want even take the horses from the old ones if its unsync so I agree with you on this, I only count the ones I did sync as actually clearing or deserving of the reward of that primal.)
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    Sanura Tsukishiro
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    Quote Originally Posted by bswpayton View Post
    I guess for some people, but for me like titan I never die to mechanics in that fight, nor do many people I've ran it with death only comes from falling off the platform.
    If you're falling off of Titan's platform, then your either failing a mechanic (landslide) or derping (walking off).
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    A mentor stole my house, slapped me across the face, and raised my ping from 15 to 30. Literally unplayable.

    Quote Originally Posted by AriKitae View Post
    I would advise against the “you pulled it you tank it” shtick. Try diplomacy first. “Please allow me to pull the mobs.” [...] While the deeps is wrong for pulling ahead, you certainly aren’t right by not doing your job.
    #GetSelliBack2016

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    Adriosh Wolfer
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    walls come down in 11s final phase as well, while there is no sort of tilt mechanic, there is still a possibility of falling off. with that being said most tilt mechanics are easily managed once they are known and having standard situational awareness required for most HW EX primals. having no walls really doesn't make a fight harder in my opinion since most bosses are tanked in center of arena. primarily it comes down to proper execution of mechanics which if you can perform then regardless of walls or not you should be able to clear.
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    Evangela Monterossa
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    It's weird that Garuda isn't one of them since her song said "now fall".
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    Skadi Felis
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evangela View Post
    It's weird that Garuda isn't one of them since her song said "now fall".
    1.0 primal
    falling down started with ARR
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    I'm fairly indifferent about it, because even if you don't fall, it'll just have some other ridic punishing mechanic that either directly or indirectly takes you out of the game for a while, because that's the only way a failed mechanic has any consequences whatsoever with healers being as powerful as they are.

    So yeah...I don't care "how" I am instagibbed for failing a mechanic. Might as well fall off.
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    What's wrong with forcing people to actually pay attention to where they're standing? It's not like Titan EX anymore, where getting clipped by a Landslide meant instant death... And for the record, I enjoy that fight. Every platform fight now gives you ample warning that you're about to be flung. And all of them require the entire group to move to the same spots, so it's not like it's an individual mechanic. It's no different than any other fight, where you die/screw the group by being out of place. Seph has the blue circles, which require all 8 players to be in the right spots, especially to bait Yesod. Sophia requires all 8 players to watch tethers/meteors, or fall off. If the 7 other players in your group can do something that gives you several seconds of warning so they don't fall off, you really have no excuse for standing there while the rest of your group runs.
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    Nic Pay
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    Quote Originally Posted by Isala View Post
    What's wrong with forcing people to actually pay attention to where they're standing? It's not like Titan EX anymore, where getting clipped by a
    Well I mention I haven't done any of them, that's what I said in my post Ive just done Leviathan and titan extreme as far as the falling off type fights. So my experience is with knowing what titan extreme is like, its my least fav of all the arr primals. So I can only go by videos Ive watched as far as guides, and my question was why are all these platforms and only two of the ones in Arr where platform based. I was wondering if this was something that was constantly being asked for before I started playing the game.

    Also if these type fights are the only type of mechanics where you feel like its a challenge, and I mention others that judging from the guides by mizz tech and mr happy that wernt platform based, but still presented a challenge for the base. I was just asking for a mix of both styles instead of this same mechanic in every trail, I have done most of the ground based Arr ones , no problem, titan is a problem every time I go in for me personally because of the platform, so Im just worried that these mechanics will cause me to not even be able to do any of the hw primals just because of the platforms. And also I mention I know I'm not the only player either I have seen many friends fall off of titan extreme basically every time I go in with an undersized it happens.
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