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    Quote Originally Posted by SendohJin View Post
    Sophia is fine cause you can still raise them after they fall (as opposed to Leviathan and Titan).

    i'm okay with this, much better than another boss fought inside another circle.

    i'd prefer they have more arenas like Binding Coil Turn 1.
    I mostly play tank or healer so , actually dying at all isnt something I like to do, as it can ruin a run if I die I really enjoy like you mention turn one in coil. Someone mention even on thordan you can fall off, so that really leaves none where no type of falling off mechanic is in the hw well aside from someone mentioning nidhogg.
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    walls come down in 11s final phase as well, while there is no sort of tilt mechanic, there is still a possibility of falling off. with that being said most tilt mechanics are easily managed once they are known and having standard situational awareness required for most HW EX primals. having no walls really doesn't make a fight harder in my opinion since most bosses are tanked in center of arena. primarily it comes down to proper execution of mechanics which if you can perform then regardless of walls or not you should be able to clear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bswpayton View Post
    I mostly play tank or healer so , actually dying at all isnt something I like to do, as it can ruin a run if I die I really enjoy like you mention turn one in coil. Someone mention even on thordan you can fall off, so that really leaves none where no type of falling off mechanic is in the hw well aside from someone mentioning nidhogg.
    Thordan and Nidhogg are the only two primals where you cannot fall. Nidhogg has no barrier effects, while the rest have you fall and Thordan has a 9999-damage barrier (as in it ticks for 9999).

    To be honest, this is a simple case of Git Gud.
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    Quote Originally Posted by randysquirrel View Post
    You differentiate between the types as platform and non-platform, but really they both come down the same thing: pay attention and do the mechanics correctly, or fail.
    I guess for some people, but for me like titan I never die to mechanics in that fight, nor do many people I've ran it with death only comes from falling off the platform. Levitation you would think you are still in normal mood until the gates come off that actually makes it even an extreme, not that Ive done this fight much the ques for these arr primals are extremely long.

    With shiva she just has a ton of mechanics and I have seen quite a few parties abandon on her, are die to her mechanics, Thormarch is just a bunch of craziness but I find that more fun than say a titan because its not a you get knocked off and your done. And as I mention savage alexander doesn't have this feature and its suppose to be the hardest content in the game. I just don't see that they are the same thing, Id rather have a bunch of one hit kill mechanics than just every last new primal with some sort of falling off and your done mechanic, I dont mind a mix but all of them is just a bit overkill.

    (And I dont count any unsync primals I did as a clear, I want even take the horses from the old ones if its unsync so I agree with you on this, I only count the ones I did sync as actually clearing or deserving of the reward of that primal.)
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    It's weird that Garuda isn't one of them since her song said "now fall".
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    Quote Originally Posted by bswpayton View Post
    I guess for some people, but for me like titan I never die to mechanics in that fight, nor do many people I've ran it with death only comes from falling off the platform.
    If you're falling off of Titan's platform, then your either failing a mechanic (landslide) or derping (walking off).
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    I'm fairly indifferent about it, because even if you don't fall, it'll just have some other ridic punishing mechanic that either directly or indirectly takes you out of the game for a while, because that's the only way a failed mechanic has any consequences whatsoever with healers being as powerful as they are.

    So yeah...I don't care "how" I am instagibbed for failing a mechanic. Might as well fall off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ErryK View Post
    Thordan and Nidhogg are the only two primals where you
    Falling off a platform isnt a display of skill tho in my opinion its just an annoyance , and I also havent done these either so the get good before Ive even done them is unwarranted. I was just asking a question on what was with the sudden change in approach, that all of them are platform based fights.

    People die in The Chrysalis, Urth's Fount, The Minstrel's Ballad: Ultima's Bane, the mechanics here can make it to where even a hard mood trail can make people die Ive seen it several times. I've seen many people die to Shiva extreme mechanics, another player said they have only cleared ramuh once, and it doesn't have these mechanics I said in my post I didnt say remove this Im just asking where are just the ground based ones in comparison. And lets not act like lag isnt apart of this game they have had to address this issue several times just sense Ive been playing alone on these type of fights having any lag just makes it a pain.
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    It makes sense that all the Warring Triad fights are on platforms, given you're so high in the air in Azys Lla, in containment cells. I don't really care if it's a platform with push-off mechanics that will instantly kill you. You don't need to worry about it as long as you handle the mechanics correctly, as others have stated.

    Quote Originally Posted by bswpayton View Post
    And lets not act like lag isnt apart of this game they have had to address this issue several times just sense Ive been playing alone on these type of fights having any lag just makes it a pain.
    Lag can happen for several reasons that have nothing to do with SE or the game. It's more than likely to do with your ISP and routing. Or, you're talking about the 3-second server tick that is simply part of the game's design.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JunseiKei View Post
    It makes sense that all the Warring Triad fights are on .
    But its pretty different tho , as a tank if I by some chance barely get out of a mechanic and I get hit then fine ill get healed are use a high potion or whatever use a defensive buff. Ill survive, on this type of platform fights if that same hit has a knock back and just knock me off the platform then thats it Im done , so essentially that would make me a bad player because I didnt avoid one hit from a mechanic. That is what the difference is in these platform fights and non platform fights where one mistake will cause you to be completely out of the fight totally, cause you missed that dodge by one tenth of a second it could literally happen to anyone. So the mechanics are totally different here defensive buffs dont actually work if you have just been thrown off the platform.
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