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    Nero and Crystal tower raid (spoilers)

    Good day

    Once again Im surprised by the heroes behavior. Yesterday the Garlemand officers were the enemies №1, but now what? They are friends? Why our strange heroes, when Nero appeared near the Crystal Tower didnt try to kill him or at least capture and bring him to the judgment and then, Im sure, he would be imprisoned forever?

    I wonder why the behavior of our heroes so unlogical and totally stupid. Did the Empire disappear? No. Is Nero still the garlemand officer? YES! He is still the bloody enemy. So why noone cares about such enemy nearby?

    I cant understand the stupidity on the storyline
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    Last edited by Xyno; 01-06-2017 at 10:53 PM.

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    yea man totally bro
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    It's been a long, long time since I did these quests, but if I recall correctly the feeling was that the Crystal Tower was the greater concern and needed to be dealt with pronto. Nero's help would get the job done much more quickly and so for the time being an uneasy truce was established. And, of course, when it was over, we lost track of Nero when he became corrupted by the darkness, and so couldn't haul him in once the truce had ended.

    This kinda thing crops up in fiction all the time; good guys temporarily allying with bad guys when their interests happen to coincide. You're certainly entitled to the opinion that it wasn't handled very gracefully in this case, but I'm pretty sure that's what the writers were aiming for. Yeah, Nero is a bad guy, but in dealing with the Crystal Tower he was a USEFUL bad guy, and so we set aside our differences... for now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LineageRazor View Post
    It's been a long, long time since I did these quests.
    Ok, maybe he is useful. But when he just appeared, noone even tried to offence! After the offence, after the Nero capture and after the breaking of his face and bones, ok, maybe after his "dont kill me, I have something to say", heroes can cooperate. But only after
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    Nero was pretty much a free agent by that point. Giaus had operated without approval from the Garlemald mainland and with such a catastrophic failure Nero as the highest ranking survivor would face the blame if he returned home. He would be lucky if he wasn't executed for it.

    Even as an enemy though, he came with clearly no intention to fight so its not like we are just going to lynch him. Instead he came with to offer a deal. He aids us and we allow him to tag along. Consider he is on Cid's level of technical genius and we were struggling with the Allagan tech which he had some experience dealing with, it was a compelling offer.
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    Just out of curiousity, are you this guy here?
    http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Titan-one-try


    XD
    Quote Originally Posted by Onyxys View Post
    You just want to talk, another unskilled player? Step aside. Next!!!!
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    Nero is a good guy!
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    My guess was along the lines that Cid always interposed on Nero's behalf. The two were friends once, after all, and even if that friendship may never return, I think Cid acknowledged Nero for the value he had as an ally. Its also worth noting that, by now, Nero is a deserter. He's no longer working for the Garlean Empire and is no doubt one of the more lucrative marks on their hit lists. As for his actions in 2.0, he was the head engineer. I don't believe he committed crimes directly against Eorzea in the way some of Gaius' other underlings did. Its not like he went out of his way to shoot lalafell kids in the head or lined up Roes and shot them execution style. He made Ultima operational, and even the leaders of the Eorzean Alliance were tempted by the idea of never having to deal with the Primals again thanks to the Ultima Weapon.

    There is virtually no reason to trust him. However, there is reason to value his skills.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xyno View Post
    ~snip~
    "In times of peace, never forget the possibility or war.
    "In times of war, never forget compassion."

    Maybe not friends, but there's something to be said about not turning into something just as bloody or ruthless as your adversaries, least you be just as cruel as they.

    That being said, the real enemy are the Ascians, not Garlemald and its denizens. It wouldn't surprise me if Garlemald's sudden boon in history came from the Ascians, telling them to purge Eorzea of the primals, much like the Warriors of Darkness were doing for a time.

    The beast tribes we help and are allied with are just as much of an enemy as he. Remember, even Aymeric's companion, Lucia, is Garlean was found to be a stalwart ally in the end once she was won over.
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    9.23.2019 [11:15 p.m.]Total Play Time: 1552 days, 0 hours, 0 minutes - You'll be hard-pressed to find a more cynical person than me.
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    You people are never happy.
    [...] You complain and complain and complain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JunseiKei View Post
    It wouldn't surprise me if Garlemald's sudden boon in history came from the Ascians, telling them to purge Eorzea of the primals, much like the Warriors of Darkness were doing for a time.
    Call me crazy, but I'm hoping this isn't the case. Its nice if, now and then, a bad guy is a bad guy not because they're being manipulated by cosmic forces, but just because they're greedy and ambitious. Sometimes its nice when someone does bad things for good reasons, because they're just a person. I'm happy thinking the Garleans consider themselves to be the true successors of the Allagan Empire and that all the conquest is them diligently following this manifest destiny that the world is theirs and they must bring it under a single banner for peace and prosperity.

    Their methods leave much to be desired, but their ultimate end-goals aren't something one can really argue against; Peace, Prosperity, and Security for all.
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