Question about Job "AF Armor"

[Corrderio]

Blue Warriors, Yellow Dragoons, purple WHM's and green BLM's make perfect sense to Corrderio it seems.

Yes because variety is a huge problem.

Here's a crazy thought, if you want "tradition" you can *gasp* keep it the default color!

[Betelgeuzah]

Yes because variety is a huge problem.

Here's a crazy thought, if you want "tradition" you can *gasp* keep it the default color!

People wanted job identity, and the color just happens to be a part of that identity. Especially considering the traditions.

What you seem to be unable to grasp is that gear color is as much of a part of a Job's identity as the model it uses. It's no poor excuse as much as you'd like to think it is.

Here's a crazy thought, if you want "uniqueness" in the current system you can *gasp* make up your own unique gear for your classes that you can choose to not wear on any other but one class. There, problem fixed. Oh wait, no, that sounds retarded. Just like yellow Dragoons and green Black Mages.

[Coglin]

People wanted job identity, and the color just happens to be a part of that identity. Especially considering the traditions.

Some people want this, not all. Unless you can convince me that the "majority" want this, I call shananagens.

What you seem to be unable to grasp is that gear color is as much of a part of a Job's identity as the model it uses. It's no poor excuse as much as you'd like to think it is.

Here's a crazy thought, if you want "uniqueness" in the current system you can *gasp* make up your own unique gear for your classes that you can choose to not wear on any other but one class. There, problem fixed. Oh wait, no, that sounds retarded. Just like yellow Dragoons and green Black Mages.

So what your saying is that we should all conform to "traditional" concepts because why?

Its your opinion that color of the gear is representative of a jobs identity, not mine, his or many others.

You mention what sounds "retarded". What sounds "retarded, is someone who did not pay the 60 bucks for our disk or who will not be paying our monthly fees when the time arises, telling us we can't have a color of gear we want. Especially if some of us leveled craft just so we can do such things with our gear.

[Betelgeuzah]

So what your saying is that we should all conform to "traditional" concepts because why?

Because it's either your way or my way. There is no middle ground to be had (except being able to dye in shades of the same color). You either use color to identify jobs or you don't.

And we have had enough bitching on the subject of job identity and FF traditions that I think it's pretty clear which side is the more popular one. Disagree all you want, you are in the minority.

Color is a very small part of it though.

Hardly. I'd say model is the smaller part.

Seriously that one guy's edits to the AF concept art proves it can work, just SE giving more random BS excuses.

So what you are saying is that people wouldn't have a problem if they did exactly what you said just because you want them to do it?

I disagree. People would have a huge problem with it, even more so since the jobs are not pulled out of their ass, but are the traditional ones. And that's enough of a reason to not make this a bs excuse.

Your only point here is to say "fuck you" to everyone who would have a problem with it, just because you disagree. Great opinion you have there.

[Coglin]

And we have had enough ******** on the subject of job identity and FF traditions that I think it's pretty clear which side is the more popular one. Disagree all you want, you are in the minority.

Thats odd, I personally feel from all the threads I have read, combined with what I have read on one of the nonenglish boards, you are strongly in the minority. Its all about squeeky wheel gets the grease and all that. Thats just my opinion on what I have seen though.

In issues of this matter, the only true way to know the general populations feelings, would be to have it as a requirement for everyone to vote in order to log in. That is a horse of another color though.

Nice to see more false assumptions based on absolutely no real facts in you telling us what the general public wants......2 thumbs up on that bud.

[Betelgeuzah]

Nice to see more false assumptions based on absolutely no real facts in you telling us what the general public wants......2 thumbs up on that bud.

So what do we get from this? Your opinion is that you're in the majority, my opinion is that I'm in the majority.

At least I don't state that your opinion is retarded like Corrderio did. People find color important for job identity, especially stable FF jobs, for legitimate reason, and SE is working based on that idea. You disagree = it's retarded.

[Corrderio]

Hardly. I'd say model is the smaller part.

This is really up for debate since tradition has changed ever since the games went 3D.

Tifa/Zell are considered Monks but they don't wear the tradintial gi attire

Freya is a Dragoon but her design looks nothing like the traidiontal

Eikko was a White mage but didn't didn't wear the traditional robe (Garnet did during the first bit of FF9, but the irony is she was the more potent summoner while Eikko was the better White Mage, yet had the summoner horn)

Garnet - See above

Khimari was a Dragoon/Blue Mage, but his gear didn't suggest that

[Betelgeuzah]

This is really up for debate since tradition has changed ever since the games went 3D.

The traditions haven't. That doesn't mean the games have to follow said traditions.

One could argue that the identity with those characters only came in to practice with the role they performed in, plus perhaps their gender and characteristics as well. Oh, but you still couldn't change their equipment around, so they always had a certain identity to them through that approach also. Maybe not specifically job identity, but something to set them apart from each other.

The fact is that all characters in past FF games have had certain identity to them, whether it has been traditional or not is irrelevant. Identity is important, and when it comes to traditional jobs, color is very much a part of what identifies them from one another. White white mages, black black mages, purple dragoons, white paladins.

The fact that you admitted that it's up for debate proves that it's not some bullshit excuse as you seem to imply. We can debate it all we want, the fact remains that some people, rightfully so, identify a traditional FF job with the traditional color. That alone shows that the dev team has a point, as much as you'd like to reject it. When you strip the Job away from a part of what makes it unique, you also shit on everyone who identify Dragoons as the purple job and White mages as the white job.

[Velhart]

This is really up for debate since tradition has changed ever since the games went 3D.

Tifa/Zell are considered Monks but they don't wear the tradintial gi attire

Freya is a Dragoon but her design looks nothing like the traidiontal

Eikko was a White mage but didn't didn't wear the traditional robe (Garnet did during the first bit of FF9, but the irony is she was the more potent summoner while Eikko was the better White Mage, yet had the summoner horn)

Garnet - See above

Khimari was a Dragoon/Blue Mage, but his gear didn't suggest that

You are right that models change overtime due to 3D. However, it isn't the case with these characters. While these characters derive from a classic job, they do not directly tell you they are that class (Could make FFIX an exception to this). Their attire is for the purpose of matching the character's characteristics and personality. When you make the jobs and their armor, you have to make something that lets others know that you are "this job".

EDIT: Hey kids! The secret word today is "assumption". When you see someone type assumption in their post, you need to scream REAL LOUD!

[Corrderio]

People wanted job identity, and the color just happens to be a part of that identity. Especially considering the traditions.

What you seem to be unable to grasp is that gear color is as much of a part of a Job's identity as the model it uses. It's no poor excuse as much as you'd like to think it is.

Here's a crazy thought, if you want "uniqueness" in the current system you can *gasp* make up your own unique gear for your classes that you can choose to not wear on any other but one class. There, problem fixed. Oh wait, no, that sounds retarded. Just like yellow Dragoons and green Black Mages.

Color is a very small part of it though. And besides that another issue people had were people looking exactly the same, meaning if AF can't be dyed we're back to that problem as well.

Seriously that one guy's edits to the AF concept art proves it can work, just SE giving more random BS excuses.