Question about Job "AF Armor"

[Coglin]

Try typing FFXI into the search box? again, whats that prove.

Really just want to fight this, don't you? You took a statement "Majority of FFXIV players have played FFXI." and decided to take it to the next step. Must be bored, but hey, I am responding, doesn't make me much better, does it? No not bored, just have a thing for people making false assumptions. Its not whether or not many have or havn't played its that you used it to justify AF gear and that it was common knowledge. I played FFXI but not when AF gear ame around appearently because I was not familiar with the term.

Anyways, what really makes you think that these people making WoW references have not also played FFXI? Nothing, thats my point you make assumptions, I am not doing so. I have made hudreds of references to several games, does not mean I played them all. Which is why the logic of searching for FFXI is flawed.

I know I have played both. Then you would say "You don't represent everyone.". This isn't about me, this is a general view of the typical MMO player. The typical MMO player has played or at least tried WoW in their time, the amount who have no played it is small, especially in Japan, who are more based on console play than PC.Really ? How long did you live in Japan? or is this just another made up facts? I know in the 2 years I lived in japan, I wouldn't have considered them more console based then my experience in living in the US or my time living in EU.

It is like McDonalds, rather if you have ever eaten there or not, you know they are the top fast food restaurant in the US and know what they serve there. It isn't hard to make a WoW reference when almost every MMO uses it's setup as a template. Again, thats a matter of opinion, it can easily be said that WoW uses a previous MMOs template (which is my belief) thus every game uses that template and only a fool who is unknowledgable enough to believe it started with WoW could be so misinformed. Just sayin.

It is ignorant on your end if you don't believe that a lot on here are FFXI vets. It is ignorant on your end to unintelligently assume I believe that. I am certain there are alot of vet here from my conversation with them. There is a big difference between alot and a majority though. Thats my point.

Guess what? You can search for FFXI in other language topics also. I am sure you will get just as much as you do on the English forums. Again, whats searching for FFXI prove?

I think you are simply trying to make a point for the hell of it, and I am [sarcasm]smart[/sarcasm] for responding back to it. You should stop asking for proof when you already have it, Its one thing to make a mistake in judgement or make a false assumption, but no need to start lying sir.
use the search box. Find how many topics are based around WoW's mechanics and FFXI's. Make it a little fun project for you. While you will get a fair amount of topics on WoW's mechanics, I am willing to bet FFXI will succeed. Again, whats someone mentioning a game in a post have to do with proving for a fact that a majority of FFXIV players are FFXI vets?

All you had to do in the first place was admit it was your assumption and not a fact.

[Velhart]

No not bored, just have a thing for people making false assumptions. Its not whether or not many have or havn't played its that you used it to justify AF gear and that it was common knowledge. I played FFXI but not when AF gear ame around appearently because I was not familiar with the term.

Then you are one of a few. I don't recall my statement being a fact, it is assumption with proof to back it up. I don't just speak out of my ass when I say things, I read these forums every day, and topics surrounding FFXIV needing to base itself off FFXI is the most common topic. This is the case with other sections of the forum. How can you not assume it is not the case is what I want to ask.

Really ? How long did you live in Japan? or is this just another made up facts? I know in the 2 years I lived in japan, I wouldn't have considered them more console based then my experience in living in the US or my time living in EU.

So apparently I have to live in Japan to know what goes on there. I read articles, I look at surveys, should you believe they are talking out of their ass? I believe they check their sources before posting such things. It is only recently that Japan is slowly working into the PC market. Is every gamer in Japan a console player? No. Do I believe they favor console over PC? Yes. Have you seen sales numbers for Japanese made PC games? Have you seen how well western made PC games sell in Japan? Not much.

Hell I found an article without trying. http://injapan.gaijinpot.com/2011/08...-and-the-west/

How successful was Phantasy Star Online and Final Fantasy XI when they were first released? Very. Know why? Because they were online games made from Japan that were console based and later ported to PC. If you were to look at FFXIV's numbers in Japan (and only assumption, since you won't accept any word besides that) are not high, since a lot are waiting for it's console counterpart. I make an assumption with information to back myself up.

Again, thats a matter of opinion, it can easily be said that WoW uses a previous MMOs template (which is my belief) thus every game uses that template and only a fool who is unknowledgable enough to believe it started with WoW could be so misinformed. Just sayin.

Who said WoW was the original template? McDonalds didn't invent the burger either. What WoW did was standardize how an MMO should be set up, like how Street Fighter II standardized how fighting games should be set up.

I can agree that there is a difference between fact and assumption. The difference here is I base this off information and sources. I believe the majority of people in this world think the sky is blue. Should I not assume this because I may not have the direct facts showing this? No, it is simple common knowledge. Know how I get my sources on it? I look up at the sky. If you are not color blind and have common sense, you know it is blue also.

It is the same here. If 3/4 of the topics inevitably lead itself into bringing aspects of FFXI into this game, then my state of mind here is that majority (do note that majority is higher %, meaning even 51% counts as a majority) are vets or have at least tried FFXI. I base my "assumptions" off information. I don't just say that the majority have played FFXI just for the hell of saying it. That is why I argue to say check your sources, because that is what I do, I check my sources. Instead of instantly calling me out on this and calling me a liar, I would check sources yourself.

My last post regarding this. I "assume" you would just take this another step, which will lead itself into saying the same thing over and over.