Question about Job "AF Armor"

[Coglin]

in the pdfs some of the gear has the tentative name of "af" in the names

They used the term 'AF Gear' before since it's a familiar term to many to give people an idea of what type of armor to expect in a way, but it wasn't stated to be finalized as "Artifact Armor".

LoL great, more assumptions. Not that I have any evidence that it won't be tittled that, but it is kind of ironic that the question was answered by a few who were in other heated debates of assumption.

[Velhart]

LoL great, more assumptions. Not that I have any evidence that it won't be tittled that, but it is kind of ironic that the question was answered by a few who were in other heated debates of assumption.

Does it really matter? People want to call it something till there is a confirmed name for armor sets. And since the majority of people are once or current FFXI players, it makes sense to call it that.

[Coglin]

Does it really matter? People want to call it something till there is a confirmed name for armor sets. And since the majority of people are once or current FFXI players, it makes sense to call it that.

You have proof that "a majority" of the player base played FFXI ? Thats partially my point.

Sooooooo, yeah it matters in my opinion. Way too many posters already make assumption on these boards, then pass it off as information and create waves of misinformation. Much like I would believe your claim of knowing that "a majority" of the player base came from FFXI is assumption, and quit possibly false assumption at that.

Therefore I asked, because I would much rather be ignorant to the facts then to stupidly believe alot of information thats false.

[Velhart]

You have proof that "a majority" of the player base played FFXI ? Thats partially my point.

So you truly believe that most FFXIV players were not FFXI players or played FFXI at one time? I shouldn't have to prove anything because it is common sense. How many topics and posts have you seen where FFXI's mechanics and content are mentioned? I would say almost all of them.

How many times have you heard "FFXIV does this, but it should be like how FFXI did it."?

There is proof for you. Randomly calling me out on it is kind of a "no point" situation, but I will throw a cookie at you, what the hell.

[Coglin]

So you truly believe that most FFXIV players were not FFXI players or played FFXI at one time? I shouldn't have to prove anything because it is common sense.

Interesting, that what the 300 posters who claimed it was common sense that THM=WHM said too. So if its such common knowledge, the statistics of players I mean, I am sure it would be simple for you to link some sort of proof?

How many topics and posts have you seen where FFXI's mechanics and content are mentioned? I would say almost all of them.

Well you say alot of things, its hardly intelligent to believe everything you say as fact. I have read threads chalk full of WoW references and /or EQ references, by the logic of your comments, that should be enough for someone to believe every player here has played both of those as well.

How many times have you heard "FFXIV does this, but it should be like how FFXI did it."? As many times as I have heard WoW references

There is proof for you.

Yummie I love cookies. Although some actual logic and fact thrown at me may be more viable for the situation.

Randomly calling me out on it is kind of a "no point" situation, but I will throw a cookie at you, what the hell.

Its not random. I call anyone out who i believe claims something as fact with no proof. Just read some of my prior post.

Curious, you use the word proof, if your going to use that word, could we have an actual fact.......please?........I mean come on, I said please.....

All that said, You made references to whats said here, you do realize that the english forums are one of four right? With that in mind, you are claiming at best to make your absolute unfact based assumption on comments made by 1/4 of the forums base ..............interesting.

At least when I question something being "iconic", Nadienkirisame linked some logical information to support the comments. Now does that mean that 6 games out of 103+ makes something iconic......ummm, no, but it does support how others could see it that way.

In these previous games, you couldn't dye any gear, so it makes sense that artifact gear is of limited design or color, but good god its almost 2012 and the devs want to limit it like it takes effort on there part.

iconic looks since the original Final Fantasy game came out

its one thing to be a look its another thing to restrict everyone too it with no color option with the exception of future gear, which could possibly be a situation again where color equals level of stats.

[Velhart]

Curious, you use the word proof, if your going to use that word, could we have an actual fact.......please?........I mean come on, I said please.....

Try typing FFXI into the search box?

All that said, You made references to whats said here, you do realize that the english forums are one of four right? With that in mind, you are claiming at best to make your absolute unfact based assumption on comments made by 1/4 of the forums base ..............interesting.

Really just want to fight this, don't you? You took a statement "Majority of FFXIV players have played FFXI." and decided to take it to the next step. Must be bored, but hey, I am responding, doesn't make me much better, does it?

Anyways, what really makes you think that these people making WoW references have not also played FFXI? I know I have played both. Then you would say "You don't represent everyone.". This isn't about me, this is a general view of the typical MMO player. The typical MMO player has played or at least tried WoW in their time, the amount who have no played it is small, especially in Japan, who are more based on console play than PC. It is like McDonalds, rather if you have ever eaten there or not, you know they are the top fast food restaurant in the US and know what they serve there. It isn't hard to make a WoW reference when almost every MMO uses it's setup as a template.

It is ignorant on your end if you don't believe that a lot on here are FFXI vets. Guess what? You can search for FFXI in other language topics also. I am sure you will get just as much as you do on the English forums.

I think you are simply trying to make a point for the hell of it, and I am [sarcasm]smart[/sarcasm] for responding back to it. You should stop asking for proof when you already have it, use the search box. Find how many topics are based around WoW's mechanics and FFXI's. Make it a little fun project for you. While you will get a fair amount of topics on WoW's mechanics, I am willing to bet FFXI will succeed.

[Coglin]

Try typing FFXI into the search box? again, whats that prove.

Really just want to fight this, don't you? You took a statement "Majority of FFXIV players have played FFXI." and decided to take it to the next step. Must be bored, but hey, I am responding, doesn't make me much better, does it? No not bored, just have a thing for people making false assumptions. Its not whether or not many have or havn't played its that you used it to justify AF gear and that it was common knowledge. I played FFXI but not when AF gear ame around appearently because I was not familiar with the term.

Anyways, what really makes you think that these people making WoW references have not also played FFXI? Nothing, thats my point you make assumptions, I am not doing so. I have made hudreds of references to several games, does not mean I played them all. Which is why the logic of searching for FFXI is flawed.

I know I have played both. Then you would say "You don't represent everyone.". This isn't about me, this is a general view of the typical MMO player. The typical MMO player has played or at least tried WoW in their time, the amount who have no played it is small, especially in Japan, who are more based on console play than PC.Really ? How long did you live in Japan? or is this just another made up facts? I know in the 2 years I lived in japan, I wouldn't have considered them more console based then my experience in living in the US or my time living in EU.

It is like McDonalds, rather if you have ever eaten there or not, you know they are the top fast food restaurant in the US and know what they serve there. It isn't hard to make a WoW reference when almost every MMO uses it's setup as a template. Again, thats a matter of opinion, it can easily be said that WoW uses a previous MMOs template (which is my belief) thus every game uses that template and only a fool who is unknowledgable enough to believe it started with WoW could be so misinformed. Just sayin.

It is ignorant on your end if you don't believe that a lot on here are FFXI vets. It is ignorant on your end to unintelligently assume I believe that. I am certain there are alot of vet here from my conversation with them. There is a big difference between alot and a majority though. Thats my point.

Guess what? You can search for FFXI in other language topics also. I am sure you will get just as much as you do on the English forums. Again, whats searching for FFXI prove?

I think you are simply trying to make a point for the hell of it, and I am [sarcasm]smart[/sarcasm] for responding back to it. You should stop asking for proof when you already have it, Its one thing to make a mistake in judgement or make a false assumption, but no need to start lying sir.
use the search box. Find how many topics are based around WoW's mechanics and FFXI's. Make it a little fun project for you. While you will get a fair amount of topics on WoW's mechanics, I am willing to bet FFXI will succeed. Again, whats someone mentioning a game in a post have to do with proving for a fact that a majority of FFXIV players are FFXI vets?

All you had to do in the first place was admit it was your assumption and not a fact.

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

Interesting, that what the 300 posters who claimed it was common sense that THM=WHM said too. So if its such common knowledge, the statistics of players I mean, I am sure it would be simple for you to link some sort of proof?

Something that you don't need to use the search engine for is the fact that ignorance and lack of common sense is among the majority of people in general. That's not just with FFXIV forums. Which, by the by, not very many players contribute to in discussions because of the amount of ignorance they don't feel like dealing with. I happen to have a high threshold for it.

While, I think it's a great point using the "people thought THM = WHM" argument, He's still correct in that most players here have played XI. I know a large amount of people on other servers through getting to know the community before the game was released and many players on my own server. I can only think of maybe two from those groupings for sure who haven't played XI.

To not recognize this yourself indirectly puts you into that point you were trying to make with the "people thought THM = WHM" argument. :P