Question about Job "AF Armor"

[Coglin]

So you truly believe that most FFXIV players were not FFXI players or played FFXI at one time? I shouldn't have to prove anything because it is common sense.

Interesting, that what the 300 posters who claimed it was common sense that THM=WHM said too. So if its such common knowledge, the statistics of players I mean, I am sure it would be simple for you to link some sort of proof?

How many topics and posts have you seen where FFXI's mechanics and content are mentioned? I would say almost all of them.

Well you say alot of things, its hardly intelligent to believe everything you say as fact. I have read threads chalk full of WoW references and /or EQ references, by the logic of your comments, that should be enough for someone to believe every player here has played both of those as well.

How many times have you heard "FFXIV does this, but it should be like how FFXI did it."? As many times as I have heard WoW references

There is proof for you.

Yummie I love cookies. Although some actual logic and fact thrown at me may be more viable for the situation.

Randomly calling me out on it is kind of a "no point" situation, but I will throw a cookie at you, what the hell.

Its not random. I call anyone out who i believe claims something as fact with no proof. Just read some of my prior post.

Curious, you use the word proof, if your going to use that word, could we have an actual fact.......please?........I mean come on, I said please.....

All that said, You made references to whats said here, you do realize that the english forums are one of four right? With that in mind, you are claiming at best to make your absolute unfact based assumption on comments made by 1/4 of the forums base ..............interesting.

At least when I question something being "iconic", Nadienkirisame linked some logical information to support the comments. Now does that mean that 6 games out of 103+ makes something iconic......ummm, no, but it does support how others could see it that way.

In these previous games, you couldn't dye any gear, so it makes sense that artifact gear is of limited design or color, but good god its almost 2012 and the devs want to limit it like it takes effort on there part.

iconic looks since the original Final Fantasy game came out

its one thing to be a look its another thing to restrict everyone too it with no color option with the exception of future gear, which could possibly be a situation again where color equals level of stats.

[Zenaku]

Also to mention they never said it would be the armor set. All they said was "Job specific equipment". For all we know, it could be simple accessories.

if you see the art work you can see that all the jobs have a full set of gear with wep and all which mean you unlock each part something like ffxi AF quest.

[Arcell]

Well, time to bring on the clones. Everyone using the same job will look exactly the same. Not a big deal in the grand scale of things, just have to get used to it.

Edit: The iconic look of certain gear could still be maintained with different color choices but this is the path they're going down. I mean I thought that the shape and silhouette alone would be enough to make it distinguishable. I mean if I'm wearing red Monk gear and someone else is wearing the same Monk gear in blue, you can tell we're both wearing Monk gear. It's still distinguishable as that class/job. It's still a very unique look, just in another color.

[Velhart]

Curious, you use the word proof, if your going to use that word, could we have an actual fact.......please?........I mean come on, I said please.....

Try typing FFXI into the search box?

All that said, You made references to whats said here, you do realize that the english forums are one of four right? With that in mind, you are claiming at best to make your absolute unfact based assumption on comments made by 1/4 of the forums base ..............interesting.

Really just want to fight this, don't you? You took a statement "Majority of FFXIV players have played FFXI." and decided to take it to the next step. Must be bored, but hey, I am responding, doesn't make me much better, does it?

Anyways, what really makes you think that these people making WoW references have not also played FFXI? I know I have played both. Then you would say "You don't represent everyone.". This isn't about me, this is a general view of the typical MMO player. The typical MMO player has played or at least tried WoW in their time, the amount who have no played it is small, especially in Japan, who are more based on console play than PC. It is like McDonalds, rather if you have ever eaten there or not, you know they are the top fast food restaurant in the US and know what they serve there. It isn't hard to make a WoW reference when almost every MMO uses it's setup as a template.

It is ignorant on your end if you don't believe that a lot on here are FFXI vets. Guess what? You can search for FFXI in other language topics also. I am sure you will get just as much as you do on the English forums.

I think you are simply trying to make a point for the hell of it, and I am [sarcasm]smart[/sarcasm] for responding back to it. You should stop asking for proof when you already have it, use the search box. Find how many topics are based around WoW's mechanics and FFXI's. Make it a little fun project for you. While you will get a fair amount of topics on WoW's mechanics, I am willing to bet FFXI will succeed.

[Coglin]

Try typing FFXI into the search box? again, whats that prove.

Really just want to fight this, don't you? You took a statement "Majority of FFXIV players have played FFXI." and decided to take it to the next step. Must be bored, but hey, I am responding, doesn't make me much better, does it? No not bored, just have a thing for people making false assumptions. Its not whether or not many have or havn't played its that you used it to justify AF gear and that it was common knowledge. I played FFXI but not when AF gear ame around appearently because I was not familiar with the term.

Anyways, what really makes you think that these people making WoW references have not also played FFXI? Nothing, thats my point you make assumptions, I am not doing so. I have made hudreds of references to several games, does not mean I played them all. Which is why the logic of searching for FFXI is flawed.

I know I have played both. Then you would say "You don't represent everyone.". This isn't about me, this is a general view of the typical MMO player. The typical MMO player has played or at least tried WoW in their time, the amount who have no played it is small, especially in Japan, who are more based on console play than PC.Really ? How long did you live in Japan? or is this just another made up facts? I know in the 2 years I lived in japan, I wouldn't have considered them more console based then my experience in living in the US or my time living in EU.

It is like McDonalds, rather if you have ever eaten there or not, you know they are the top fast food restaurant in the US and know what they serve there. It isn't hard to make a WoW reference when almost every MMO uses it's setup as a template. Again, thats a matter of opinion, it can easily be said that WoW uses a previous MMOs template (which is my belief) thus every game uses that template and only a fool who is unknowledgable enough to believe it started with WoW could be so misinformed. Just sayin.

It is ignorant on your end if you don't believe that a lot on here are FFXI vets. It is ignorant on your end to unintelligently assume I believe that. I am certain there are alot of vet here from my conversation with them. There is a big difference between alot and a majority though. Thats my point.

Guess what? You can search for FFXI in other language topics also. I am sure you will get just as much as you do on the English forums. Again, whats searching for FFXI prove?

I think you are simply trying to make a point for the hell of it, and I am [sarcasm]smart[/sarcasm] for responding back to it. You should stop asking for proof when you already have it, Its one thing to make a mistake in judgement or make a false assumption, but no need to start lying sir.
use the search box. Find how many topics are based around WoW's mechanics and FFXI's. Make it a little fun project for you. While you will get a fair amount of topics on WoW's mechanics, I am willing to bet FFXI will succeed. Again, whats someone mentioning a game in a post have to do with proving for a fact that a majority of FFXIV players are FFXI vets?

All you had to do in the first place was admit it was your assumption and not a fact.

[Chinook]

Good news.

Won't bother argumenting with the "I should be able to wear what I want, how I want, when I want" people since the complete freedom argument doesn't stand in a game, which by definition has rules and restrictions.

It's not like all the AF gear will be "best in slot" anyway ...

[PrettyPrincess]

It's not like all the AF gear will be "best in slot" anyway ...

uh, it better be.

[Velhart]

No not bored, just have a thing for people making false assumptions. Its not whether or not many have or havn't played its that you used it to justify AF gear and that it was common knowledge. I played FFXI but not when AF gear ame around appearently because I was not familiar with the term.

Then you are one of a few. I don't recall my statement being a fact, it is assumption with proof to back it up. I don't just speak out of my ass when I say things, I read these forums every day, and topics surrounding FFXIV needing to base itself off FFXI is the most common topic. This is the case with other sections of the forum. How can you not assume it is not the case is what I want to ask.

Really ? How long did you live in Japan? or is this just another made up facts? I know in the 2 years I lived in japan, I wouldn't have considered them more console based then my experience in living in the US or my time living in EU.

So apparently I have to live in Japan to know what goes on there. I read articles, I look at surveys, should you believe they are talking out of their ass? I believe they check their sources before posting such things. It is only recently that Japan is slowly working into the PC market. Is every gamer in Japan a console player? No. Do I believe they favor console over PC? Yes. Have you seen sales numbers for Japanese made PC games? Have you seen how well western made PC games sell in Japan? Not much.

Hell I found an article without trying. http://injapan.gaijinpot.com/2011/08...-and-the-west/

How successful was Phantasy Star Online and Final Fantasy XI when they were first released? Very. Know why? Because they were online games made from Japan that were console based and later ported to PC. If you were to look at FFXIV's numbers in Japan (and only assumption, since you won't accept any word besides that) are not high, since a lot are waiting for it's console counterpart. I make an assumption with information to back myself up.

Again, thats a matter of opinion, it can easily be said that WoW uses a previous MMOs template (which is my belief) thus every game uses that template and only a fool who is unknowledgable enough to believe it started with WoW could be so misinformed. Just sayin.

Who said WoW was the original template? McDonalds didn't invent the burger either. What WoW did was standardize how an MMO should be set up, like how Street Fighter II standardized how fighting games should be set up.

I can agree that there is a difference between fact and assumption. The difference here is I base this off information and sources. I believe the majority of people in this world think the sky is blue. Should I not assume this because I may not have the direct facts showing this? No, it is simple common knowledge. Know how I get my sources on it? I look up at the sky. If you are not color blind and have common sense, you know it is blue also.

It is the same here. If 3/4 of the topics inevitably lead itself into bringing aspects of FFXI into this game, then my state of mind here is that majority (do note that majority is higher %, meaning even 51% counts as a majority) are vets or have at least tried FFXI. I base my "assumptions" off information. I don't just say that the majority have played FFXI just for the hell of saying it. That is why I argue to say check your sources, because that is what I do, I check my sources. Instead of instantly calling me out on this and calling me a liar, I would check sources yourself.

My last post regarding this. I "assume" you would just take this another step, which will lead itself into saying the same thing over and over.

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

Interesting, that what the 300 posters who claimed it was common sense that THM=WHM said too. So if its such common knowledge, the statistics of players I mean, I am sure it would be simple for you to link some sort of proof?

Something that you don't need to use the search engine for is the fact that ignorance and lack of common sense is among the majority of people in general. That's not just with FFXIV forums. Which, by the by, not very many players contribute to in discussions because of the amount of ignorance they don't feel like dealing with. I happen to have a high threshold for it.

While, I think it's a great point using the "people thought THM = WHM" argument, He's still correct in that most players here have played XI. I know a large amount of people on other servers through getting to know the community before the game was released and many players on my own server. I can only think of maybe two from those groupings for sure who haven't played XI.

To not recognize this yourself indirectly puts you into that point you were trying to make with the "people thought THM = WHM" argument. :P

[Coglin]

The sky appears to be blue as perceived by the human eye approximatly 42% of the time (varying time percentage with the seasons). This is because the light from the sky is a result of the sunlight scattering.
The sky changes and appear lots of colors, such as red, orange, yellow, pink, purple (at sunrise and sunset) and black (at night).

I use this as an example, because, you mentioned it. True fact of the matter though, the sky is not always blue, it is only blue from the Earths surface. It is blue less the 1/2 the time, dawns and sunrises are various colors and the night sky is black. Am I saying the sky is not blue...NO.....my point is that a person could pick any nuber of colors and make a statement that the sky is that color. You make a link to a statement of assumption attepting to give it a presence of a fact, People make online reports with zero fact every day. Thats my point in this dabate. If the entire world plays more console games then PC games then to pick any specific location and claim they play more console games then PC games, you havn't exactly scored some great miraclious hypothosis.

@ bruce....I never said the majority is or is not FFXI vets. I simply said I do not factually know, there for cannot claim to. You are also claiming to factually know with no real facts.

Never the less, my point was to assume everyone was familiar with AF gear, and to assume everyone considered it iconic to the overal 103+ chain of Final Fantasy titled games was falsly presumptuous. Its the making of assumptions then stating them under the guise of fact, that I take isue with.