Why so toxic?

[MilesSaintboroguh]

To be fair, I don't think I have ever seen this forum more united than when that second thread was posted. It's like the moment Tumblr nonsense creeps its way over everyone just stops and forms a temporary truce, xD

Shark fin soup.

[Yasuhiro]

As you can see I don't post here often, I just kind of lurk and read interesting threads. Why does it seems people are being more toxic towards each other than before? I thought the community was suppose to be a "friendly" one. I chuckled when my friend made a comparison to the Wow forums, and honestly if I need help I go to Reddit. I do enjoy reading things here, it's just a bit nicer to read thing on Reddit. The toxic people just get down voted.

I can't really stand reddit, only ever go there if I'm linked there or if a google search takes me there, the discussion over there is a bigger circle jerk than it is here and anyone with a negative opinion or something that goes against the reddit hivemind is downvoted and the downvoted hidden posters are usually the ones that are right or have the most interesting things to say. This place can be borderline reddit with its passive aggressiveness but everyone knows you only go to the NA forums for laughs and screencaps to share while in the JP forums/2ch you have actual discussion.

Hell I think the like system thing should be disabled here unless it's actually enabled by the OP if they have a suggestion because you can get people who write out well thought out posts or responses then they get responded to with a stupid meme image that adds nothing to the discussion and gets thumbed up to oblivion.

tl;dr: There's no decent English speaking place to discuss FFXIV which is why I'm mainly at 2ch.

[Beckett]

Haha, never go to 4chan.

[AloiseNelhah]

Haha, never go to 4chan.

Who is this 4chan?

[Yasuhiro]

Who is this 4chan?

A bad hacker man, stay away from him and tell your mum on him.

[Qojon]

A bad hacker man, stay away from him and tell your mum on him.

I heard he hacked the gibson.

[MewMewGrace]

The downvote system means unpopular or dissenting opinions get hidden - this isn't conducive to actual discussion and leads to a "circlejerk" where people post not what they believe, but what would get them the most internet brownie points. Sure, posts here get criticised, but that's a natural consequence of posting something people disagree with. If you actually believe what you post, you should be prepared to explain or defend your statements when they are questioned. The moderation here tends to be pretty trigger happy, so you can rest assured that if someone says some actual mean words to you, those mean words won't stay posted for long. If you want dissenting opinions or legitimate criticism hidden, perhaps reddit is where you should stay.

[JunseiKei]

Ah, I should probably point out:

"It's a misconception that anyplace on the internet is somehow free of problems that come with vaguely anonymous discussion, especially pertaining to hobbies / fan-doms. Either you're over-moderated, or people do whatever they want. It's just what kind of garbage you want to deal with; if you don't like hearing dumb, don't waste your time around it. This is why I ignore all fandom forums and posts no where- it's a waste of my time."

Husband's wise words.

(Also, you can disable downvotes being automatically hidden on Reddit. You can also use plugins to make Reddit just an over-all better experience.)

[Vhailor]

As you can see I don't post here often, I just kind of lurk and read interesting threads. Why does it seems people are being more toxic towards each other than before? I thought the community was suppose to be a "friendly" one. I chuckled when my friend made a comparison to the Wow forums, and honestly if I need help I go to Reddit. I do enjoy reading things here, it's just a bit nicer to read thing on Reddit. The toxic people just get down voted.

I think FFXIV occupies a unique niche, in a way, resulting in particularly toxic forums. On the one hand, it's a spiritual successor to FFXI; on the other hand, it's an ultra-accessible title geared toward gamers and non-gamers alike. Much of the animosity I see arises from these two groups having conflicted ideas of what FFXIV should be.

[LionFranco]

I think FFXIV occupies a unique niche, in a way, resulting in particularly toxic forums. On the one hand, it's a spiritual successor to FFXI; on the other hand, it's an ultra-accessible title geared toward gamers and non-gamers alike. Much of the animosity I see arises from these two groups having conflicted ideas of what FFXIV should be.

This is exactly my thinking too, the. Conflict between people that want this game to be more like XI and the people that want this game to be accessible to everyone. I prefer the middle ground.