How can SE make sure in melee Range RDM isnt squishy as a caster?

[bswpayton]

Everyone here is acting like they just never take any damage at all haha, I,ve never had a run as a dps where I took zero damage at all why else would healers have aoe heals. If anything melee classes have more hp from there gear than casters, and people mention dragoon they have the best gear options compared to any other melee class. When I,m tanking If I have two range jobs I basically look like I'm just taking everything on by myself because the other classes stay at range, its pretty rare that I see casters in melee range other than in extreme trials are stuff like that.

If it just made zero difference why don't melee classes put on some caster gear and see if it makes any difference. I know that's a bit extreme, just take a blm and stay in melee range the whole time and see if it makes any difference than range, If anything just for hp sake if they are gona be half melee just to have a larger hp pool would be nice on a rdm than what they would get from caster gear.

[Neophyte]

If it just made zero difference why don't melee classes put on some caster gear and see if it makes any difference. I know that's a bit extreme, just take a blm and stay in melee range the whole time and see if it makes any difference than range, If anything just for hp sake if they are gona be half melee just to have a larger hp pool would be nice on a rdm than what they would get from caster gear.

If there was gear, which would give you a slightly higher dps as a melee, but only the def. of a caster robe... most competent melees would wear it.

[AlphaFox]

If there was gear, which would give you a slightly higher dps as a melee, but only the def. of a caster robe... most competent melees would wear it.

I would agree, if it made me a glass cannon (to anything other than unavoidable damage or aoes) I'd wear it too.

[SendohJin]

just take a blm and stay in melee range the whole time and see if it makes any difference than range

unavoidable AOEs are unavoidable and they will hit you if you're in casting range. avoidable AOEs target party members so if a mage stays in melee range, you have to dodge the ones that target you and the ones that target the melees, that's the only difference.

HP and defense make no difference in group play if you're not a tank. there are no situations where a melee is supposed to get cleaved with the tank(s). there are no situations where a melee is supposed to eat ground marker AOEs.

[Zigabar]

Everyone here is acting like they just never take any damage at all haha, I,ve never had a run as a dps where I took zero damage at all why else would healers have aoe heals.

I don't think anyone here is saying DPS don't take damage at all. Room-wide AOE damage is a thing, an unavoidable thing. Standing right behind the enemies circle or across the room isn't going to stop that damage from coming. BLM's tend to stand back to avoid -avoidable- AOE's targeted at their fellow party members. They are a turret job. The less they move the better. SMN is not a turret job and can stand right behind the enemy and be fine, in fact it's encouraged for auto-attack - a DPS increase. RDM is going to be fine with whatever gear they're given if they need to stand in melee range, as long as the player knows how to dodge avoidable damage. Like every other job.

[ErryK]

Everyone here is acting like they just never take any damage at all haha, I,ve never had a run as a dps where I took zero damage at all why else would healers have aoe heals.

That's such a stupid thing to say...

Nobody is acting as if they don't take any damage at all. They shouldn't be taking cleaves or autoattacks which are the number 1 killers of melee players. That is not a fault of the melee player, it's a fault of the tank not being good at his job. So the matter of RDM needing more HP than BLM/SMN, is a bit foreign due to the fact that they will be in melee range for like 2 seconds, then back at range.

If they really needed the extra HP, they have VIT melds to help them survive hits... ranged DPS and Healers and even melee DPS already do this...

[RaijinSupreme]

Everyone here is acting like they just never take any damage at all haha, I,ve never had a run as a dps where I took zero damage at all why else would healers have aoe heals.

No one is saying that. There are plenty of times where mistakes happen. you hop in front of a cleave, you get animation locked in an AoE, and there are world-wide undodgeable moves used by enemies all the time.

The only thing people are saying is that unless you are playing extremely bad, or possibly not paying attention at all, you shouldn't die from just 1 or 2 hits, even as a caster, even if you are in melee range. you'll get healed by the healer if you do get hit, but it won't be to the extent that you should be really afraid of even the tiniest attack you may get hit by from being in melee range.

Alot of casters stay in melee range all the time already, and they are doing just fine.

[Tint]

Everyone here is acting like they just never take any damage at all haha, I,ve never had a run as a dps where I took zero damage at all why else would healers have aoe heals. If anything melee classes have more hp from there gear than casters, and people mention dragoon they have the best gear options compared to any other melee class.

yes, melees have higher HP than casters. but casters also have higher m-defense. since ALL raidbusters are magick-based (the high aoe damage), melees need the additional HP to survive them. a red mage melee in caster gear with high m-defense will not need it.