Remember When Tanks Asked Before Large Pulls?

[Miste]

Why are people encouraging poor manners? This shouldn't be a thing.

Where did I say I was encouraging poor manners? All I did was respond to your concern that Swiftcast is needed for raises and such.

Using swiftcast is one solution to the problem where people run away too fast; you said you don't want to use it to save for more important casts, but fact is the cooldown is very short so you can use it at beginning just fine.

Another solution is to ask people not to do that; not everyone realizes it messes up the healer especially if they've never played healer. So you could try to tell them this.

At least think about what I responded to before making random claims I said something that I did not even remotely say. I was only responding to your concern about swiftcast cooldown not about people running away before buffs.

Why do you even post comments if you going to answer like this to someone trying to offer you some insight.

They're not encouraging poor manners. They're discussing how to properly deal with your tank exhibiting poor manners.

Exactly this yeah, he explained it well ^

[Eloah]

Once a new dungeon has been out for a bit, I'd say the pulls become commonplace. So much so, that when a tank does smaller pulls I get confused. I do hope the formula changes in 4.0 though, more dynamic dungeons are a must.

[Thayos]

The problem comes when people get overeager and don't let the pull finish. Remember that, in the middle of a big pull, we're not gonna stand in place waiting for another GCD, it's AoE on the run. So, if you start laying out heals on me before I have them all grouped up and can ACTUALLY establish aggro, you're gonna have a bad time. Trust in me to survive until I can get them all grouped up. My whole toolkit is about survival.

This should pretty much end the discussion.

I mass pull and don't ask because... why? The vast majority of parties can handle mass pulling with ease.

Honestly, the real question should be, "Why don't tanks ask if it's OK for them to do small pulls?" Because that's the outlier situation that people either want small pulls or can't handle the big ones.

[RuleofThree]

As a tank, I always pull big. In this day and age it is to the point where it is better to assume the group is capable than the other way around, because 9 times out of 10, the group is capable. I don't want to sit there, hold everyone hand, have a peaceful pow-wow, burn some incense, and ask for permission to pull big...only to hear the party say 'Yes, get the fuck on with it mate.' If I am wrong, and the party can't take big pulls? My bad, now I know, let's start again, with smaller pulls. This is the same reason I don't tag every single mob with a '1, 2, 3, and 4' to goad them in to attacking enemies in order. I'm not here to hold you hand, people...my job is to hold hate, and take the damage. Not set up a three-point plan on how to engage combat, and who to attack.

As a healer, I expect the tank to crash out of the starting line like a sprinter on crack. this is why I don't even bother casting Stoneskin II. If the party wanted it..they'd stay. If they don't care...they are off to the races. No skin off my back. Sure..I can Swiftcast Stoneskin II...but why expend my resources for someone else's impatience? They don't want Stoneskin II...that's fine...let's move on. This is the same reason I don't cure the black mage that sticks like glue to his Laylanes, no matter what enemy attack marker is underneath him. I don't cure stupid. You want to stay in your laylines come hell or high water so you can get that 'mad deeps yo'? Then expect to die because of it...I'm not wasting my resources on your dumb ass.

Edit: Correction. I do cast Stoneskin II...but I don't swiftcast it. If they are out of range to benefit, their bad. Those who stay for those 3.5 precious seconds reap the benefits.

[ErryK]

Remember when you assume everyone acts the same, talks the same, has the exact same mannerisms? No? I do.


Don't assume, OP.

[MirielleLavandre]

As an aside, recently leveling up my DRK after coming back from a half year break -- at what ilvl is it okay to try to do these 'large pulls' (which I assume are all mobs from gated area to next gated area/boss)? Still working on gearing since I just got 60 a few days ago, but like to plan in advance Thanks ^^

[RuleofThree]

As an aside, recently leveling up my DRK after coming back from a half year break -- at what ilvl is it okay to try to do these 'large pulls' (which I assume are all mobs from gated area to next gated area/boss)? Still working on gearing since I just got 60 a few days ago, but like to plan in advance Thanks ^^

My guess? When you are at least garbed fully in Lore gear. Could get away with it with just some Dravanian stuff mixed in with Lore gear too, I'd imagine. It's not hard. Use cooldowns, convalescence to help healer out, spam your AoE hate a bit more to secure group hate. And soul eat to help out when needed.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

As an aside, recently leveling up my DRK after coming back from a half year break -- at what ilvl is it okay to try to do these 'large pulls' (which I assume are all mobs from gated area to next gated area/boss)? Still working on gearing since I just got 60 a few days ago, but like to plan in advance Thanks ^^

ilvl 230 and up, really. Lower ilvl usually only requires a bit of cooldown management to handle. You should be more than fine pulling huge and spamming Dark Arts + Abyssal drain. The only pull I'd be somewhat wary of (or at least warn your healer) is grabbing everything after the second boss in GGH. You can Living Dead it to give the healer time to DPS freely, but again, I'd warn them beforehand if you're at a low ilvl.

[RuleofThree]

ilvl 230 and up, really. Lower ilvl usually only requires a bit of cooldown management to handle. You should be more than fine pulling huge and spamming Dark Arts + Abyssal drain. The only pull I'd be somewhat wary of (or at least warn your healer) is grabbing everything after the second boss in GGH. You can Living Dead it to give the healer time to DPS freely, but again, I'd warn them beforehand if you're at a low ilvl.

That's where the healer should keep their best cure spells ready (Benediction being the best, if you got them.) The only difficult part through healing that section is the start...the moment where you get hit with the demon's cross slash as you are getting in to postion, among a few others if timing is bad. This is the only time where you might need to heal the tank BEFORE he gets in to position, rather than after..which can fuck up hate.

Just make sure you have convalescence ready above all, and then your biggest damage mitigation abilities next. Prepare to lose hate on a few because the healer MIGHT need to heal you before you can establish it, and you are good to go. But honestly, since Abyssal Drain is ranged, grabs hate, heals you, AND can be cast while on the move...you might not even have trouble establishing hate.

[MirielleLavandre]

Thanks for the quick replies all - I think I'm around i233 atm? So I guess I'll try for some larger pulls after warning the healer and party ^^ I'm using HQ250 melded with CRIT and DET, atm, mixed in with a few scripture and lore pieces.